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Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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And the sad thing is that these models are most likely trained upon most of these stock photos to begin with. I can understand the frustration of the industry.

OpenAI partnered with Shutterstock. So it's not most likely, it has been publicly announced that a part of DallE training dataset was Shutterstock. https://www.shutterstock.com/press/20435

I wonder if they thought it is easy money and it will never account to anything.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Like it or not, it's here like CGI in movies bestsellers. I don't envy artists, most of them will have to rethink their plans and switch to graphics or web designers, or something similar. Not sure who will be next. Probably GPT will take over virtual bookshelves on Amazon. Mandatory "AI generated" mark may help a bit. I will not waste my time reading it. I think we should expect a flood of "masterpieces" in differen…

Dunno, 'brand name' writers of airport novels have been forever accused of having ghost-written their novels, I think AI will allow writers of lesser budgets to also get help in writing their novels. Or who knows, even the 'King'-s of the world will use AI to fill out their chapters.

I guess the task of finding something worth reading will get closer and closer to insurmountable under the flood of lesser and lesser productions. The more expensive ones will be deemed not worthy to produce and there, you'll be stuck between classics and lessers. I have no idea how to get out of this quickly approaching chaos. Stopping the lesser productions doesn't seem useful, also marking as "AI generated" will fail (is it still AI generated if I modified by hand two words on page 1?) and you'll have basically books generated on-demand wherever you click, hallucinations burying anything else I'm afraid.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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And the sad thing is that these models are most likely trained upon most of these stock photos to begin with. I can understand the frustration of the industry.

The photographers who took those stock photos also trained on stock photos.

That's an interesting observation.

Painters are trained by copying the Masters. Shredding guitar players are trained on violin caprices. Martha Stewart was trained by watching Julia Child.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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There is a lot of potential for aspiring photographers in creating (and licensing) photo libraries for the specific purpose of AI training. Where previously you'd take 100 photos to choose the perfect one, now you'd include all of them, with labels that describe their quality or deficiences (which you do anyway as you curate the photos you took). This makes almost every shot the money shot. Less glamorous for sure, a…

Where is the photographer's skill necessary in the process? Eventually, all the "photographer" will need to do is to take a 8K video recording of the subject and AI will generate a set of great looking pictures (it already knows what people like).

Videos aren't a very good source for training data, because they usually contain compression artifacts and motion blur. I've experimented with AI training using video screencaps and, unfortunately - the resulting quality isn't as good as using high resolution still photos.

Another issue with using videos is overfitting, because video frames look too similar to each other. So you can get an inflexible model that always generates a similar background as that in the video.

Good AI training dataset is the opposite of that. It needs to contain different backgrounds and different lighting conditions. And as many different angles and poses as possible. Can't really get that from a single video.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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There is a certain class of images that will be largely unaffected - anything where authenticity matters. Such as a space walk photo from the ISS, a celebration moment in the Olympics, presidential speech, met gala fashion shots etc. and the authentic non generative photos could go up in value as photographers who do not have access to those moments either start to resort to AI or to fall out of the competition.

Hmm I wonder... Space walk for your average article might be more selling if generated. Olympics, maybe some posing setup would sell more too. Presidential speech surely they want more "representative" gallery or fix some defects. Met Gala fashion, again make things better.

Propaganda and need to sell things are powerful motives. And AI generation and modification are great tools for that. Authenticity sell to very few.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Any output from a brain can also be represented mathematically-- it's a physical object, after all. Coming up with the parameters for those expressions is the much harder part, for both brain and AI.

Once again, that is an incredibly strong assertion and if you wish to be reasonable then the burden of proof is on you to prove those parameters before making such claims (e.g. that creativity = math). The notion that creativity lies beyond what is systemetizable (or otoh, the value in creativity is to defy that which can be computed), seems more in line with my sense of it.

good point, as an artist the joy is in creating - the result is not that important, but that is my work, other artists results can be very dear to me.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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post #12

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The photographers who took those stock photos also trained on stock photos.

The difference is that now only the owner of a machine profits where before lots of individuals profited. More power to the owners, I guess.

The trajectory of ML appears to point towards massive transfer of wealth to capital owners and impoverishment of the working classes.

We need to find a way to distribute the benefits of such developments.

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