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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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A credible alien threat would give world leaders a super easy excuse to demand emergency powers, impose martial law, and assume total control of all aspects of life, in the name of the war effort. Said world leaders really really want these things, so you can safely assume there isn’t a credible alien threat. You don’t have to trust them, just trust that they’ll act in their own interests and work backwards from ther…

I believe this was the plot to Watchmen.

I don't think it was. Could be a great piece of fiction based on COVID lockdowns though.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

It is commonly said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Much less commonly said, but still true, is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary trust . I do not trust the people saying these things. That I can not 100% guess their motivations for this is not particularly relevant. They have a long history of consistent and large lies. Failing to take that into account when they're making this sor…

> why then were you lying the up to this point then?

So it'll take a lot to convince me that this is real. But let's say for an instant that it is.

And you're the government, and you need to handle "announcing" this to the people without freaking them out. I guess you set the scene, monitor for a while what people do (decades of denial), then when it seems like the people are doing alright/don't care about it much, start to say you'll actually look into it (couple years ago with official release of documents). Then monitor the reaction... again people don't really care. Kind of exciting for some people for a day or two but still go work in the morning, life goes on. Then you start to drop the other shoe.

I guess? I'm skeptic but if there was a world in which there are alien UAPs, where the govt knows, where the govt hides it, I can construe this scenario as a good reason why govts would have gone about it in this way.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

I’ve read a lot about the US govt. activity during the end of WW2 (op paper clip, moving Japanese scientists that developed bio/Chen weapons here) , the cold war (long list, but basically fighting a war for capital) , up to fighting socialist “land reform” in Latin America. Everything has a direct line to monied interests, it’s almost strikingly obvious if you have an objective view of what the natsec space is doing. This just doesn’t compute for me. How would monied interests be served by this?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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post #546

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

It is commonly said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Much less commonly said, but still true, is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary trust . I do not trust the people saying these things. That I can not 100% guess their motivations for this is not particularly relevant. They have a long history of consistent and large lies. Failing to take that into account when they're making this sor…

> Because if they are real you've been lying and lying and lying and lying beyond my capacity to express in a single sentence

When speaking of the us government and its agencies we must remain ever cognizant that the official story is rarely truthful whether explicitly or by omission. Relatedly, we’ve seen extraordinary measures taken against individuals leaking pretty minor and generally suspected details like wholesale warrant less surveillance via direct taps on arterial comm lines. Thus, it is more likely that this guy has nothing and no power, else he’d be in an Ecuadorian embassy/Russia or an as of yet unknown black site instead of doing interviews.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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The Flying Dutchman is thought to probably have been a Fata Morgana. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Dutchman With everyone handwringing about climate change clearly being our doom, has no one once wondered if it might be partly responsible for an upsurge in sightings of unexplained aerial phenomenon?

Reminds me of the UFO that ended up being a lens flare on a gimbaled camera of a fighter jet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs

I'm beyond skeptical of the 'alien' videos, but Mick West is no better. He comes up with some pet theory that can create a similar visual phenomena, completely ignores any and all other factors, and then declares his pet theory the 'truth.' It's literally the exact same sort of conspiracy theory style behavior he claims to be fighting against, but he feels his theories are special because they're mundane, so they must be true - even if they're also about as sound as a house of cards.

So for instance at 2:00 in the video you linked, he at least acknowledges that he's "not going to address" among other things that there were reported to be a fleet of the observed objects. He fails to acknowledge that he's also not addressing that the object was also observed from multiple sources. And the "SA" was also picking them up, which I can only assume is a sort of scanned array radar type system. In which case you have multiple forms of instrumentation picking the signals up, multiple trained pilots interpreting them as meaningful and distinct, and more. So in other words he's not going to address the countless things that effectively falsify everything else he's about to say.

Finally, this seems to be a newer video. In his past videos he went so far as to suggest that the glare caused by the exhaust of a jet, when one fighter jet was (apparently?) locking onto another jet, all without realizing it. I fully agree with the implied idea there of tossing appeals to authority in the trash, but.... like with all things, sometimes this can be overdone. It seems that part of his theory was removed, and now it seems he's just leaving it as glare from nowhere? Ah yes, that's also one of those things he's "not going to address" now.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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The U.S. Inspector General called the claims "credible and urgent" and congress has planned a hearing on the documents provided to them under oath on said retrieval programs. This clearly goes well beyond someone simply being mistaken.

Wow, nobody has ever lied to congress before! And what are the chances their testimony pops up right after the introduction of a program incentivizing whistleblowers to come forward?

Wouldn't you expect their testimony to pop up after the incentive program independently of it's accuracy or truthfulness?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#687

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A credible alien threat would give world leaders a super easy excuse to demand emergency powers, impose martial law, and assume total control of all aspects of life, in the name of the war effort. Said world leaders really really want these things, so you can safely assume there isn’t a credible alien threat. You don’t have to trust them, just trust that they’ll act in their own interests and work backwards from ther…

I believe this was the plot to Watchmen.

Enders game.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#688

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

It's hilarious watching how HN upvotes insane theory instead of crazy theory. Wild times! There is a very very simple explanation, which is that everything he says is true. There is a secret program, they did reverse engineer, they did withhold it from congress, and people did tell him that there is alien stuff. Why make up silly make believe? The guy isn't claiming 'oh i saw aliens'. He could simply be telling the a…

> There is a very very simple explanation

I’m not sure an explanation that presupposes FTL travel is very very simple

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I believe this was the plot to Watchmen.

I don't think it was. Could be a great piece of fiction based on COVID lockdowns though.

It was a key element of Watchmen. The movie changed the common enemy from aliens, but kept the general concept. It wasn't the governments that created it, but rather the governments were duped into believing it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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But what if it's 0.5c travel? That's a massive difference from 0.99c travel

Agree, visitors may have traveled for millions of years to get here. We should not project human timescales on aliens. Humans as we know them today will never visit other galaxies, but our AI descendants almost certainly will.

If you have 20 million years and don't mind waiting, you can send probes to every system in the galaxy at sub-light speeds.
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