I'm waiting for either, a) the rug pull after a credulous alternative media piles in, and then some minister says, "see, this is why we need to regulate social media" or b) the triple-down by politicians saying that the existence of aliens gives them a mandate to redistrubte everything immediately, supported by people who believe normal rules of humanity don't apply anymore because they've been told about aliens, and a bunch of other people who stand by and watch hoping nobody will come for them.
US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#512Earlier quoted context omitted.
Knowing that life may be common is a lot different than knowing that intelligence is.
Yes, but the universe is so mind mindbogglingly vast. So many galaxies and so many stars! It just doesn't seem right that what happened here didn't happen somewhere else.
Very very big and very very old. Take the probability of an intelligent being evolving, multiply that by the probability of it being on a planet that had vast amounts of practically free energy stored from the last great extinction and figured out how to use it, multiply that by the probability of them not running out of that energy until they can develop new sources (without destroying each other in the process), then multiply that by the probability of them figuring out space travel, multiply that by the probability that they are within reach of us with that technology, multiply that by the probability that they care enough to come over here, and finally multiply that by the probability that this occurs within the 2000 years or so when we aren't too ignorant to appreciate it.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
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Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…
I say this from an angle of religious tolerance but some people actually “believe in angels” etc, people will believe whatever they want
Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO.
I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk and then a saint said a prayer for them and they could walk again. It is pretty easy guess that it was a placebo effect or coincidence that the medical issue got better at the same time.
We have never seen someone with a X-Ray of a severed spine regain full walking ability after a prayer from a saint.
UFO's may exist, but it seems more likely that a combination of reflections, radar issues, tiredness/stress, "wanting to believe" caused them to see "something"
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#514step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…
Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff?
Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of that scale. Maybe someone can run a successful assassination once in a while and keep it under wraps for a decade or so, but that's as far as it goes. Lips are too loose and threads are too easy to pull, especially in the internet era.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#515step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…
Possibly not. But this narrative has been around for a lot longer than social media. Current technology certainly accelerates the spread of it, but people have been discussing this topic since the literal dark ages.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#516Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume that interstellar travel is really difficult for any civilization. That assumption is based on my knowledge of physics (relativity in particular).
> That assumption is based on my knowledge of physics based on your knowledge of known physics. We're still adding to the periodic table...
We're not still adding to the periodic table. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oganesson , 118, was synthesized in 2002, and confirmed in 2015 and I don't think anybody is actively working on making https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununennium or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbinilium for lack of resources right now.
If somebody is aware of groups actively working to synthesize above 119 please let me know.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#517step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…
Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff? Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of…
Because military brass is not supposed to be wrong by going along with such unlikely scenarios.
They might as well also believe the fairy god-mother decides the outcome of battles and direct their ire at her.
This is The National Enquirer-level stuff.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#518Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think GP is referring to the idea that there are a lot of (unlikely) conditions that would all have to turn out to be correct in order for there to be aliens. Not that there is evidence of no aliens, but that you can do thought experiments to guess at the probability that there are, and it doesn't look good. Things like: * There have to be enough star systems and planets that could support life. Research here is ex…
You know this never occurred to be before, but seams obvious in hindsight. It popped into my head while reading your comments. If you can flash a light bright enough to be seen by other civilization you can communicate with them at light speed. Then once you convince your communication partners to build machines and run programs you send them, your AI's can "travel" at light speed. Once the AI has arrived it can star…
Um, that's called 'radio'.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
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> US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. Depends what you mean by winning. Other countries have different priorities, for instance the health and welfare of the population over individual wealth. That doesn't make one right or wrong, but it really this reflects on your priorities more than anything else. And that's ok! I'm just saying it's subjective, not objective, and there's no reason to believe that some…
Aliens would probably not care that french people have more vacation days.
The concept of leisure might be quite enlightening to aliens stuck on a mining expedition their grandparents signed up for.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
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What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right
I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…
Not only that, but when they're here on Earth they get from point A to point B by actually traveling the distance through the air. Slow enough for us to see. You'd think these aliens with FTL technology would just appear to us as popping in and out of existence when they change position.
They seem a little too domestic. It reminds me of how ancient people thought the Sun rode across the sky in a chariot. Because how else would the Sun get around but the same way we do?