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SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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Is there some scheme past asymmetric cryptography that I'm not aware of? Because one of the fun drawbacks for criminals of having a distributed public ledger has been their immediate connection to all of their transactions once their public key is associated with them.

Yeah, it sounds like you're not aware of various things like ring signatures, SNARKs, STARKs, etc.

That sounds like it was made for money laundering and making ransoms hard to trace.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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The quality of discourse at this stage of the thread (2 hours, 20 comments) is incredibly disappointing. Hn usually has high quality discussions. What is it about crypto that causes us to lose our minds?

The problem IMHO is that it is so well-known that HN hates crypto that anyone who wants to voice a reasonable opinion is likely to avoid doing so in order to not get piled on with downvotes, hatred, etc.

- At least for me that's it, it would be stressful to deal with that so I go elsewhere to discuss the technology.

And this is probably precisely how an echo chamber can be created even without recommendation algorithms.

The "in-group" harasses the "out-group" until all of them leave - or not dare to speak anymore - and only the "in-group" is left.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

#63

The quality of discourse at this stage of the thread (2 hours, 20 comments) is incredibly disappointing. Hn usually has high quality discussions. What is it about crypto that causes us to lose our minds?

I remember fondly participating in the hype around crypto in 2017 and going in on btc/eth and also building a mining rig etc. The discourse on HN back then is quite different from today. These days we've seen scam after scam, fraud after fraud, failure after failure. From a technology perspective it's neat, but the kinds of individuals it tends to attract make it seemingly not actually all that useful in wider societ…

*finance and money in general attracts these individuals, not exclusive to crypto

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

#64

what if shutting down all the exchanges is the thing that causes people to start using bitcoin directly as a currency?

If you have the downside risk of volatility without the dopamine hit of gambling you might as well just sell it all.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

#65

The quality of discourse at this stage of the thread (2 hours, 20 comments) is incredibly disappointing. Hn usually has high quality discussions. What is it about crypto that causes us to lose our minds?

We’re sick of seeing frontpage news about the latest crypto scam and fallout.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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Privacy. Censorship resistance. Monero is a great cryptocurrency.

You can list features all day and not convince me of the existence of applications. Privacy that is obtained by obscuring signatories or blending assets is just laundering.

That's like saying effective cryptography is destruction of evidence.

"Laundering" is a bullshit concept invented to legitimize total surveillance of financial transactions. This KYC/AML stuff is just the financial arm of global mass surveillance. We must resist it vigorously for the exact same reasons we resist warrantless dragnet data collection.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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post #61
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it sounds like you're not aware of various things like ring signatures, SNARKs, STARKs, etc.

That sounds like it was made for money laundering and making ransoms hard to trace.

Yeah, and cryptography was made for pedophiles and terrorists. Am I right?

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

#68

The quality of discourse at this stage of the thread (2 hours, 20 comments) is incredibly disappointing. Hn usually has high quality discussions. What is it about crypto that causes us to lose our minds?

Lots of people on HN knew about crypto early and did not invest; they lost out big time and they take out their frustrations regularly.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

#69

The quality of discourse at this stage of the thread (2 hours, 20 comments) is incredibly disappointing. Hn usually has high quality discussions. What is it about crypto that causes us to lose our minds?

We’re sick of seeing frontpage news about the latest crypto scam and fallout.

Presumably it's not the crypto bros upvoting them into that position

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

#70

The quality of discourse at this stage of the thread (2 hours, 20 comments) is incredibly disappointing. Hn usually has high quality discussions. What is it about crypto that causes us to lose our minds?

> Hn usually has high quality discussions.

It doesn't.

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