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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by yeeeloit »

api wrote: post #239
boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

How is it fundamentally illogical? I mean I'm skeptical as hell, but one possible answer to the Fermi paradox is that there is no paradox because there are aliens here.

You are correct. The reactionary and emotional comments in here are extraordinary.

Sit back and enjoy the ride.

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Post by krapp »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

>US is the only one winning Civilization Earth.

I don't know. I feel like the countries without constant gun violence, where the government is actually capable of passing legislation, where the people actually accept that they live in a society with some acknowledgement of social responsibilities, and can access healthcare and education without incurring a lifetime of crippling debt, are currently winning at civilization a bit harder.

Being the richest and the most capable at propaganda and world-ending violence isn't the same as being the most civilized.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by paulddraper »

gfodor wrote: post #151
jacknews wrote: post #91

Sounds like Grusch is upstanding, but I suspect he's been trolled by the rest of them. You can just imagine; "hey Eagle, the UFO guy's coming to ask about that UAP report, you know, the one where the IR tracker locked-on to a speck of dust. Let's mention the (nudge, hehe) black-ops alien testing site we saw when we went to file the report"

You don't troll someone to the point of letting them go testify under oath to the IG.

Epic troll

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by paulddraper »

boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

> the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences

How so?

The argument for no aliens is lack of evidence, not evidence of their lack.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by api »

fnordsensei wrote: post #189
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

To what end?

Some speculations:

To spook enemies of the US and create a mystical aura of superiority around the US military and its capabilities. They're literally creating the impression that the US military has technology beyond the "Clarke threshold." (The Clarke threshold refers to Arthur C. Clarke's maxim that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

To shake out moles, spies, and unreliable people / leakers.

As a cover for very terrestrial extremely advanced technology such as hypersonic weapons, drones, laser and directed energy weapons, etc.

To repeatedly float the idea of "alien disclosure" and then dash everyone's hopes in order to discredit the idea of extraterrestrial life and visitation. Why? Maybe they're concerned that we will eventually detect aliens and they want to blunt the cultural impact by making the public skeptical. Maybe they actually do have evidence of aliens (but maybe less sexy than crashed UFO parts) and want to keep it quiet, so they want the topic to be discredited and marginalized. Maybe there's some ideology at play like religious fundamentalism. Why knows.

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Post by smolder »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #240
avgcorrection wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ufology is an FBI astroturf which is supposed to be a more exciting alternative to listening to a 90 minute lecture on the Sandinistas by Chomsky.

Now why the hell didn't anyone tell me, when I was say age 11 or 12 or so, that a career path existed whereby one might be able to get a job with the FBI which consists of deliberately trolling people into believing that UFOs exist, with access to effectively limitless resources to make it stick. For actual money, including a government pension.

If that's someone's job specifically, it's probably a small part, and not at all fun, in-context. I think it's also safe to say they wouldn't have unlimited resources.

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Post by marci »

adventured wrote: post #150
robofanatic wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol ... you are assuming aliens think like humans. Its almost impossible to tell what aliens consider "baddest mfers" or "insane tech and research".

The most advanced tech and research, as an overall, would be trivial for an advanced alien to decide. And the US has been leading in those categories for 80 years at least. The notion that it's impossible to figure out whether an advanced alien would think Afghanistan or the US have more advanced tech/research/science, is absurd. And if you can make that distinction, you can keep going.

For a species advanced enough for trivially navigating the universe, the difference between the US and Afghanistan would be trivial. If they are more in the individuality side of thing (in contrast to hive mind), the dumbest of their lot would probably be smarter than the smartest person we can find here, probably looking at us the way we look at other intelligent species.

To measure us, would they look at the capacity to produce tech or consume tech (they would probably be more interested in East-Asia than North-America)?

If they look at introducing themselves and communicate peacefully, what metrics would they look at to determine what society they want to deal with?

If they look for dominance, once again they would hit where we produce tech, and hit our means of communication, which are worldwide.

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Post by Krasnol »

esprehn wrote: post #186
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

You might appreciate Superman Red Son which explores what could have happened if Kal-El landed on a Ukrainian farm instead of Kansas. It's obviously got bias but it's fun to think about what happens if all the hero "stuff" didn't happen in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Red_Son

I could totally imagine a Ukrainian farmer pulling a UFO with his tractor on TicToc.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by paulddraper »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #123
bsaul wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

Given the enormity of the universe and the seeming[0] impossibility of FTL travel, plus the complete absence of astronomical observation of extraterrestrial civilization, and the incredibly tiny (on astronomical scales) window of time in which we have data, any other explanation for pretty much any phenomena we care to observe will be more likely than "aliens did it". [0] extremely well supported

Even without FTL, time dilation makes travel conceivable, no?

You can get halfway across the galaxy in less than 50,000 years.

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