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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by postalrat »

erdos4d wrote: post #70
thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

Assuming this is legit, what makes you believe they understand anything about this tech? They might literally have been scratching their heads all this time with this stuff. We might simply not understand the physics by which it operates and have no ability to do anything with it except dust it off periodically and let another team of eggheads strike out. I can't think of any major technology we currently have which…

We been studying biology for many years and can't figure it out. Cells are basically alien technology to us.

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Post by whinenot »

notatoad wrote: post #142
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

why is it always the navy pilots that always see the aliens, and not the commercial pilots. is it because navy pilots are more likely to be flying at some combination of high speed, bad weather conditions, or darkness that tends to make ordinary occurrences look more mysterious?

Commercial pilots don't get scrambled to get eyes on radar anomalies in the middle of nowhere. They get paid to go from point A to point B using a pre-determined amount of fuel.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by typeofhuman »

fnordsensei wrote: post #189
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

To what end?

More funding from Congress.

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Post by heavyset_go »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay.

This is the same MO as Stephen Greer's grift about the same thing. Greer claims that he was given access to classified documents and information that say the government is hiding their knowledge of, and interactions with, aliens and UFOs.

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Post by tedivm »

tikwidd wrote: post #220

We now know that exoplanets and the conditions for life abound in the universe. Where the conditions for life abound, the null hypothesis ought to be that life abounds. In discussions of alien life and intelligence, we are often biased by earlier states of knowledge about the universe and our position in it. When we first started digging up dinosaur bones, we came up with fantastical notions of creatures to explain t…

Knowing that life may be common is a lot different than knowing that intelligence is.

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Post by moomoo11 »

tazjin wrote: post #139
moomoo11 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

Satirical posts on HN have a whole different flavour to them!

The truth is out there. Somewhere in the middle.

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Post by incrudible »

boringuser2 wrote: post #156
bsaul wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a modern jet is similar enough to a bird that animals created millions of years ago (prehistoric birds) can have some basic understanding on how it behaves. What makes you think just because it’s millions of years more evolved we wouldn’t be able to get the general gist of what it does ? (not how it does it, of course)

Apologies: This comment is a terrible analogy. Try explaining quantum physics to Aristotle. That's a mere 2-3000 years of technology with large periods of stagnation. Give Churhill/Stalin/Hitler an iPhone. They now have access to a device of unparalleled ability compared to anything they could have conceived of, and they will simply be completely incapable of understanding or utilizing it outside of performing basic…

You can give an infant an ipad and they will figure out how to use it pretty quickly. They will have an understanding of its purpose. You merely extrapolate from our advances of 5000 years that there must be technology that is inconceivably advanced.

Though he did not believe in it, Aristotle was aware of the concept of atoms (that he had no hope of observing). I am sure he would have gotten the gist of quantum physics too.

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Post by api »

boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

How is it fundamentally illogical? I mean I'm skeptical as hell, but one possible answer to the Fermi paradox is that there is no paradox because there are aliens here.

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Post by ChainOfFools »

avgcorrection wrote: post #140
TechBro8615 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The paradox of ufology is that we can't trust the government because they've been covering up aliens for 70 years, but now we know aliens are real because the government says so. The only fact I know for certain is that the federal government and military industrial complex has a history of lying and waging information warfare on American citizens. If they tell me aliens are here, there's no way I will believe them.…

Ufology is an FBI astroturf which is supposed to be a more exciting alternative to listening to a 90 minute lecture on the Sandinistas by Chomsky.

Now why the hell didn't anyone tell me, when I was say age 11 or 12 or so, that a career path existed whereby one might be able to get a job with the FBI which consists of deliberately trolling people into believing that UFOs exist, with access to effectively limitless resources to make it stick. For actual money, including a government pension.
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