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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#151

Sounds like Grusch is upstanding, but I suspect he's been trolled by the rest of them. You can just imagine; "hey Eagle, the UFO guy's coming to ask about that UAP report, you know, the one where the IR tracker locked-on to a speck of dust. Let's mention the (nudge, hehe) black-ops alien testing site we saw when we went to file the report"

You don't troll someone to the point of letting them go testify under oath to the IG.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#153
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What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…

I think a modern jet is similar enough to a bird that animals created millions of years ago (prehistoric birds) can have some basic understanding on how it behaves.

What makes you think just because it’s millions of years more evolved we wouldn’t be able to get the general gist of what it does ? (not how it does it, of course)

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#154

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If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

To an alien without our particular brand of 21st century capital ethics, I'm not sure that the US is winning Civilization Earth.

It likely would be the biggest threat given the weapons tech though. You generally want to study the things that pose the biggest threat for self preservation.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#155
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What about 4. A collection of shadows, mistakes, pilot fatigue, and instrument malfunction?

Not really into UFOs myself, but that's not what the article (the whistleblower) is claiming: > “We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.” There is a difference between claiming to have seen the modern equivalent of the Loch Ness monster and saying "they have its body in a hangar".

Yeah. For example, in the Loch Ness example, they're at least claiming to have seen it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#156
post #153

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I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…

I think a modern jet is similar enough to a bird that animals created millions of years ago (prehistoric birds) can have some basic understanding on how it behaves. What makes you think just because it’s millions of years more evolved we wouldn’t be able to get the general gist of what it does ? (not how it does it, of course)

Apologies: This comment is a terrible analogy.

Try explaining quantum physics to Aristotle.

That's a mere 2-3000 years of technology with large periods of stagnation.

Give Churhill/Stalin/Hitler an iPhone.

They now have access to a device of unparalleled ability compared to anything they could have conceived of, and they will simply be completely incapable of understanding or utilizing it outside of performing basic tasks.

That's 60 years of the accelerated age of technology we live in.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#157

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

> There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences

Sounds like you'd accept something that breaks the basic known science then. If they could demonstrate any tech which does not exist, or is wildly outside of the current limits, would that convince you? For example energy use allowing interplanetary travel in a vehicle of unreasonably small size.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#158
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The paradox of ufology is that we can't trust the government because they've been covering up aliens for 70 years, but now we know aliens are real because the government says so. The only fact I know for certain is that the federal government and military industrial complex has a history of lying and waging information warfare on American citizens. If they tell me aliens are here, there's no way I will believe them.…

I think the best evidence against Aliens is if the government had any, they would have been trotted out for a rally by now by the last guy.

Ever watch Independence Day?

"Plausible deniability"

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#159

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

FTA:

> “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#160
post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

Beefman, could you tell us more about how you know this?
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