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#121
Hey I appreciate the general lack of cruelty so far in the comments, sometimes HN can be pretty rough.

The weird phrasing in the tweet is because I can't talk about any of the work I did due to NDA's besides my job description and those patents. But I had a pretty unusual role all things considered. I was also trying to clarify in the tweet that these aren't meant to be interpreted as unannounced existing features or capabilities of the product. But rather, research I did and contributed to, that was made public through patents.

There's a ton of interesting preexisting research literature about neurotechnology research for VR. Both in terms of using it for biofeedback, and using it as a device just for studying the brain. If that sounds interesting browse through what's out there via google scholar.

Also I said I spent 10% of my life working on it, realizing that was a goofy way of putting it. But it's a standout thing in my life and it was mostly a self reflection on what a trip being alive is, not trying to brag about it, mostly just sharing what I did. It's an unusual product and I had an unusual role

Anyway it's a cool device and hopefully people enjoy it.

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#122

Oh so now the hot new thing is a computing device that actively tries to guess its user’s emotional state (using various methods, including introducing new stimuli) and then then CHANGES ITS BEHAVIOR based on the results! The Free Software people were right - a device this intimate needs to have publicly available, verifiable source code.

> Oh so now the hot new thing is a computing device that actively tries to guess its user’s emotional state

It also induces different states by way of imperceptible stimuli and measured the response.

The tweet got increasingly dystopian the more I read; spine-chilling stuff. Had this been about the Quest, people in this thread would be reasonably apoplectic. Imagine what Saudi Arabia or a Gambling or News app could do with this.

Fuck it, I'm going Thiel, anyone want to cofound a security startup, HMU (law enforcement experience advantageous) - we'll make the Apple Vision the best interrogation tool on earth. Fifth amendment? Pssh, the suspect won't need to say a single thing.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

#123

I wonder if him not having worked on Apple Vision for the last >1.5 years means they distanced themselves from his "vision, strategy and direction" or even gave up on it.

Judging from his other tweets, he seems really into crypto and making art projects out of crypto tech. I can't say I really understand the art - and I went to school with him, had the same professors, etc. I'm just scratching my head when I read his tweets. But well: he's worth many millions and I still have housemates so I guess capitalism has crown him in the lead.

bro I am not worth millions I'd delete my twitter account and go enjoy my life if I was

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#124
This begs the question: what is Apple’s real play with Apple Vision? It sounds like there’s a real possibility that, even at a $3500 price point for hardware, the consumer is still the product. What else can their system determine about someone’s brain? What is going to be done with that data?

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#125
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This quickly becomes creepy beyond my wildest imaginations. Kill it with fire, please.

Why? The more personal a device is and the closer it becomes to interfacing with who we are, the more it will need to do things like this to work, else it will just feel off.

Fully user controlled device running only free software ? Sure, agree totally!

A totally closed hardware & software combination tethered to a corporate cloud ? NO WAY IN HELL!!

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

#126
> Other tricks to infer cognitive state involved quickly flashing visuals or sounds to a user in ways they may not perceive, and then measuring their reaction to it.

Is this like how in the old days the movie theater flashed a single film frame of BUY POPCORN YUM.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Think of the possibilities. -A VR show can modify the jokes in real time if they know how funny you find them. -A VR casino can offer a 'full biometrics' table for the players who really think they know how to bluff -A VR porno can have your VR GF climax at the same time as you

Think of the possibilities - they can track what you fear - they can track what you like - they can track what enrages you Agencies will love that data.

Advertising paid for by the blink.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

#128

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Why? The more personal a device is and the closer it becomes to interfacing with who we are, the more it will need to do things like this to work, else it will just feel off.

Fully user controlled device running only free software ? Sure, agree totally! A totally closed hardware & software combination tethered to a corporate cloud ? NO WAY IN HELL!!

Give it 30 years for the open source option to catch up.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

#129

Right... so this thing hooked up to a centralized AI, deciding what people see when, how often they see it, what they can express and how they feel... Do people really want to live in the matrix? I have a visceral reaction to this idea

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/introducing-apple-vis... says " Where a user looks stays private while navigating Apple Vision Pro, and eye tracking information is not shared with Apple, third-party apps, or websites. Additionally, data from the camera and other sensors is processed at the system level, so individual apps do not need to see a user’s surroundings to enable spatial experiences. "

Unless the code is fully free software that has been audited by enough people & there is a proof the binaries on the device correspond to this source code, then this means nothing.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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post #124

This begs the question: what is Apple’s real play with Apple Vision? It sounds like there’s a real possibility that, even at a $3500 price point for hardware, the consumer is still the product. What else can their system determine about someone’s brain? What is going to be done with that data?

Hopefully it at least means I can type out the “eyes rolling” emoji by simply rolling my eyes.
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