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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by belval »

yellow_lead wrote: post #19
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

What about 4. A collection of shadows, mistakes, pilot fatigue, and instrument malfunction?

Not really into UFOs myself, but that's not what the article (the whistleblower) is claiming:

> “We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”

There is a difference between claiming to have seen the modern equivalent of the Loch Ness monster and saying "they have its body in a hangar".

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Post by clashmoore »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

Are the Navy pilots actual eye witnesses to seeing these crafts or are they eye witnesses to whatever is electronically displayed to their HUDS/Helmets/lenses?

It seems every video I've come across, it was all electronic so it has me thinking just a software error.

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

BasedAnon wrote: post #53
DrBazza wrote: post #48

Never in human history have we had so many high quality cameras in the hands of so many people. And still no pictures of ufos. Or Bigfoot. Or Nessie.

Actually we do have good pictures of Nessie, which is how figured out 'she' was actually just a whale penis Edit: apparently this is actually bs

Serious question: are there any whale species which inhabit Loch Ness?

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Post by tiffanyh »

madspindel wrote: post #62

Can we rule out UT? Ultraterrestrial, meaning "they" are from this Planet Earth, but maybe left due to an event (the flood?) many millions years ago, or maybe just 12 000 years ago (the younger dryas impact?).

My thoughts exactly, which is why I asked the question of "how did the government come into possession of this aircraft".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36218316

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

DrBazza wrote: post #49
gumballindie wrote: post #4

Dont get my hopes high. I have the feeling it will be a disappointment. Also why would aliens only visit the us? Surely other countries would be in possession of alien tech if the us was.

Technology to fly light years. But not the technology to land on earth without crashing.

Miscalculated lithobrake because of different atmosphere and gravity.

Surprise!

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Post by black6 »

clashmoore wrote: post #63
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

Are the Navy pilots actual eye witnesses to seeing these crafts or are they eye witnesses to whatever is electronically displayed to their HUDS/Helmets/lenses? It seems every video I've come across, it was all electronic so it has me thinking just a software error.

Every video I've seen, too, has been from some sort of electronic sensor. The US Navy was working on Project NEMESIS at least as far back as 2019, which sought to (and likely did) develop the means to spoof electronic signatures.

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #45

I'm trying to think of any sci-fi stories where the aliens are lost tourists or similar. They are usually presumed to be scientists or government representatives checking out Earth and/or humankind. Maybe ET? -- I don't think that's explained? It's been a lot of years since I saw it. The reality is that the government is interested in unexplained phenomenon primarily for security reasons. That statement does not say…

Like Twoflower from the other side of the Discworld, an "in sewer ants" agent on vacation, visiting a medieval society.

Zogg from Betelgeuse?

Invader Zim?

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Post by erdos4d »

thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

Assuming this is legit, what makes you believe they understand anything about this tech? They might literally have been scratching their heads all this time with this stuff. We might simply not understand the physics by which it operates and have no ability to do anything with it except dust it off periodically and let another team of eggheads strike out. I can't think of any major technology we currently have which doesn't have a totally legit origin story and which the prevailing scientific and engineering ability of the time didn't enable, so I doubt any real advances have ever come out of this.
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