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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by lisasays »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

4. A bunch of well-fed military-industrial complex types, some lying, some naive and sincerely deluded -- stovepiping and embellishing each other's BS as usual.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by JPLeRouzic »

nso wrote: post #22
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

4. Dust, misidentifications, radar ghosts. David Grunch is a liar.

David Charles Grusch

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by krapp »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

4. Misinterpretation and/or equipment malfunction and/or hoaxes.

A few probably are secret military tech (nothing like antigravity, but I think most people - even in the military - probably don't have a good grasp of what true cutting edge technology is capable of,) but I think there are UFO true believers within the government trying to stir up publicity for funding[0]. To me that is the most intriguing, and plausible, explanation for a lot of this.

Because remember we just went through this with the Chinese balloon shit. "Sources" in the government making the same claims. Rumors about craft defying physics. But it all turned out to be balloons and paranoia and hype.

It's never aliens. It's never aliens.

[0]https://nypost.com/2023/03/21/ufo-believing-pentagon-bosses-...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by petilon »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

4. Time-traveling humans from the future. Don't discount that possibility!

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by pie420 »

gumballindie wrote: post #4

Dont get my hopes high. I have the feeling it will be a disappointment. Also why would aliens only visit the us? Surely other countries would be in possession of alien tech if the us was.

Because the internet and everything you use every day was invented in america, the waterways are controlled by american aircraft carriers, the moon is american, the silicon you use is made in the american pseudo-colonies of japan, south korea, and taipei. America is the invisible roman empire, and the american corporate oligarchy is Caesar. Weapons systems generations ahead of the competition. All trade done in dollars, all entertainment and science conducted in english. All data flows through american megacorps that answer only to the american oligarch. Pure hegemony so strong most people aren't aware that it exists.

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Post by worik »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

4. It is optical illusions

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mywittyname »

gumballindie wrote: post #11
HWR_14 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe that there are any alien vessels, intact or otherwise. But I would imagine that a superpower with global reach and a stealth program could (and would) gather craft before the countries where they were located knew they were there.

> I don't believe that there are any alien vessels, intact or otherwise. Me neither, but as the saying goes: “i want to believe”. Guaranteed there’s nothing more than a guy that’s either crazy or marketing a book. > But I would imagine that a superpower with global reach and a stealth program could (and would) gather craft before the countries where they were located knew they were there. By traveling to china or rus…

Right, America has trouble retrieving it's own equipment when it is downed near (not in) adversarial territory. That's with the advantage of knowing exactly when and where the equipment went down and with the benefit of advanced planning for a potential recovery.

There's no way they are suddenly so much more competent when the downed equipment is "alien." If this stuff is so easily tracked, then it's not so easily hidden from the public.

And if this stuff went down in a smaller country, you can bet there are plenty of people out there ready and willing to pay for it just because. We have difficulty enough charging wealthy people with real crimes, much less putting them away for buying alien technology.

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Post by erulabs »

thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

The “elite” who brings the world infinite power will be the most famous and remembered and respected human who ever lived, and will live immortal in the history books.

Call me naive but I don’t think the desire to keep the status quo is greater than the desire to be the literal savior.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by SonicScrub »

v0idzer0 wrote: post #24
yellow_lead wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about 4. A collection of shadows, mistakes, pilot fatigue, and instrument malfunction?

Too coincidental for pilot fatigue/shadows AND instrument malfunction to always happen at the same time in all of these cases. There are hundreds of reported instances in the past few years. This is simply not a serious explanation.

Strongly disagree. The sheer number of flight hours performed by all the world's professional pilots multiplied by the average percentage of a flight that a pilot could be considered to be "fatigued", multiplied by the odds of a cosmetic/minor sensor blip occuring is still an astronomically large number. That confluence of events probably happens quite regularity. This can be acendotealy verified hanging out at any general aviation flight club, and asking pilots about the times they got temporarily confused by some aerial phenomenon that turned out to be a strange reflection off a cloud. Happens literally all the time.
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