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Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by jodrellblank »

BasedAnon wrote: post #73
jodrellblank wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/introducing-apple-vis... says " Where a user looks stays private while navigating Apple Vision Pro, and eye tracking information is not shared with Apple, third-party apps, or websites. Additionally, data from the camera and other sensors is processed at the system level, so individual apps do not need to see a user’s surroundings to enable spatial experiences. "

I'm not suggesting it currently has this functionality

Then I guess the answer to your off-topic "do people want a strawman horrible future I just imagined?" is "no".

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by [deleted] »

BasedAnon wrote: post #47
mynameisvlad wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said it’s hooked up to a centralized AI? Apple’s buzzword of the day yesterday was “on-device processing” and “on-device X” in general. They have invested heavily for years now into shipping ML chips in their devices and don’t seem to be stopping; if anything they’re increasing the use of it. Is there anything definitively claiming this would be any different?

> Who said it’s hooked up to a centralized AI? I'm talking about the infrastructure not this device necessarily

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Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by ricardobeat »

rickdeckard wrote: post #30
makeitdouble wrote: post #7

This whole tweet had the same tone as when pop science crime investigation TV explains a criminal can be identified through its gait alone. It's always magic, except when the predictive model doesn't work and there is no corrective action possible on the user side. We're talking about physical reactions, so that means it's supposed to be the same through gender, age, race, health conditions from the algorithm's point…

*) They are foregoing controllers on the default interfaces, for the presentation of this initial product which is expected not to ship for another 6 months. It's what i would do as well if I would want to steer the developer ecosystem in a certain direction. From what I heard it also supports Bluetooth Mice and Keyboards to productively use a Macbook (which is streaming its video into the glasses)

Considering the performance numbers you wouldn't need the Macbook, the VR hardware will be much faster.

If they ever opened the system to run MacOS, that is, which is very unlikely :(

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by polishdude20 »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #6
stby wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quickly becomes creepy beyond my wildest imaginations. Kill it with fire, please.

Why? The more personal a device is and the closer it becomes to interfacing with who we are, the more it will need to do things like this to work, else it will just feel off.

Yes if it was a standalone device which no outside party had control over then sure. But that's not practically what any tech device has been in the last 10 years. Everything phones home. And with the amount of valuable personal data this thing could accumulate, you can be sure it will be phoning home about it all the time.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by pornel »

gumby wrote: post #84
vincnetas wrote: post #53

"All of these details are publicly available in patents, and were carefully written to not leak anything." This part makes me sad about patents and original idea behind them. This actually is the opposite of original idea why people came up with the idea of patenting something. To spread the knowledge and to award inventors. Not to stifle the competition.

Actually his statement is entirely within the spirit of patents: the secret sauce is disclosed in exchange for some limited monopoly; since it's been disclosed people can talk about it and learn from it. (None of this comment should be interpreted as a defense of the travesty that the patent system has become)

But can they, really? The language of patents is an obfuscated legalese, further confused by many variants of the claims that may not make any sense. They're far far from anything educational.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by knodi123 »

simontheowl wrote: post #81
makeitdouble wrote: post #7

This whole tweet had the same tone as when pop science crime investigation TV explains a criminal can be identified through its gait alone. It's always magic, except when the predictive model doesn't work and there is no corrective action possible on the user side. We're talking about physical reactions, so that means it's supposed to be the same through gender, age, race, health conditions from the algorithm's point…

A lot of these large companies spend millions of dollars recruiting participants from various demographics to test prototypes and fine-tune technologies like this. It's a tremendous effort.

I believe you, and it makes sense. Apart from that, though, it's hilarious to imagine an ad like "Wanted: Black women with long hair to quietly walk into a room, pick up a vase, drink a can of coke, and then leave through the same door."

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by NLPaep »

noindiecred wrote: post #24

Oh so now the hot new thing is a computing device that actively tries to guess its user’s emotional state (using various methods, including introducing new stimuli) and then then CHANGES ITS BEHAVIOR based on the results! The Free Software people were right - a device this intimate needs to have publicly available, verifiable source code.

That’s Left 4 Dead’s “director”

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by noveltyaccount »

ricardobeat wrote: post #103
rickdeckard wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*) They are foregoing controllers on the default interfaces, for the presentation of this initial product which is expected not to ship for another 6 months. It's what i would do as well if I would want to steer the developer ecosystem in a certain direction. From what I heard it also supports Bluetooth Mice and Keyboards to productively use a Macbook (which is streaming its video into the glasses)

Considering the performance numbers you wouldn't need the Macbook, the VR hardware will be much faster. If they ever opened the system to run MacOS, that is, which is very unlikely :(

You'd hope that a $3500 head computer wouldn't require a computer to do computer stuff :(

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by munificent »

ripper1138 wrote: post #75
ugh123 wrote: post #49

next level humble-bragging. in post and his replies

Totally. "10% of my life" sounds a lot more significant than "3.5 years"

"Well three and a half years is a long time in my life, it's longer than I spent getting my bachelors, or the two masters degrees I did at the same time. It's the longest I've worked at any job, and longer than most relationships I've been in."

Dickens himself couldn't do a better character introduction than these two sentences.

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