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Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by markus_zhang »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #119
markus_zhang wrote: post #74

This reads like X-File season 13. I hope some of it is true. Real life is too boring amd frustrating.

I think that's part of why such stories get traction. Real life is boring. People want something more. When something comes along, they hope it's true, and motivated reasoning comes in. This same mechanism can explain AI hope.

Yeah I really hope this is real. I won't be able to participate for sure but the mere recognition of existence of such projects is going to impact global society profoundly.

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Post by 43345dsfsdf »

we are clearly seeing superdimensional hardware, vessel which are observable from our three dimensions, but obviously exist in at least one extra dimension.

Given how fast the can accelerate or instantly break, there could be two extra dimensions, being time a physical dimension from the point of view of a fifth dimension. Hence, FTL - faster than light - travel could exists, without breaking any law of physics valid in the three dimensional universe.

And if time is physical dimension and you are "standing" on the fifth dimension, travelling backward or forward in time, could be a matter of just "walking" some meters, then you just went back in time, or walk in the opposite direction and you travelled to the future. From the point of view of a hyphotetical fifth dimension and being time a physical dimension, "everything" would be happening at once. You could even go further, in this context a "closed loop" in time could be possible, because now what you change in the past, doesn't create a new timeline (as in the multi-verse theories), but just changing some stuff in one point, then a few meters away - in the future - things consequently get changed. "The future changing the past".

Also, if the UFOs are superdimensional objects it becames just logic the things can travel so fast underwater, because they are not interacting fully - probably - with the matter of the three dimensional space. There are other possibilities, the hyphotetitcal superdimensional UFOs probably can travel through solid matter as well, just as they do through air or water. Hence, some stories of UFOs using mountains as bases suddently make a bit of sense, even if you go to the mountain just to find rocks and apparently no bases.

If you can displace mass through a hyphotetical upper dimension above our standard three dimensional o even fourth dimensional (including time), space, suddenly FTL becames a lot more easier, the travel from one star to other star could be instantaneous, or even to 100 galaxies away from your starting point.

Also there you got another possible answer to the Fermi Paradox, the ETs are everywhere, it could hundreds of cities of ETs on the solar system right now, and the galaxy is blowing with life, but almost of them exist in upper dimensions beyond our three dimesional space, hence they remain mostly invisible to us.

The UFOs then could very be just us, humans from the future, travelling to the past to look for something, maybe stuying us like we study Neanderthals.

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Post by kevinwang »

lisasays wrote: post #23
Loquebantur wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is blatant ignorance. More specifically, you are entirely ignoring the context here. > Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record. > The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a vetera…

That's not evidence. That's hearsay. Fragments, please. Or photos, or at least reasonably credible scientific reports describing these fragments. Or at least something resembling, you know -- first-hand evidence . Otherwise there's nothing to talk about here. Can't believe I have to explain this on HN.

Also it seems like even the whistleblower does not have first-hand evidence:

"Grusch also said he has not seen photos of the alleged craft himself, but has spoken extensively with other intelligence officials who have." from https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us...

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Post by lisasays »

sowbug wrote: post #53
lisasays wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By someone with no scientific credentials whatsoever -- and who presents no evidence. I mean sure -- he's a great guy, and has served his country and all. But still.

Witness testimony is evidence. You don't have to believe him, but it is specious to reject a witness's testimony primarily on the grounds that it is not evidence.

He hasn't seen the stuff (or even photos of the stuff) himself - he's only spoken to people who claim they have, or who claim to know of it.

Why are you, then, hallucinating that he's some kind of "witness"?

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Post by hypnotode »

graderjs wrote: post #106
hypnotode wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Unironically posting ancient aliens. First video, guy finds small piece of metal with a metal detector. He's a geology professor, but doesn't go into the geology at all, just "I've never seen anything like this in all my years" ∴ alien metallurgy maybe. Second video: Are there desirable properties to an alloy of bismuth and magnesium? The 'expert metallurgist from New Jersey' didn't say, just that they didn't know o…

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whoops, replied to the wrong post. Watched it last night. I believe that guy truly believes. I believe the leaker is real. I believe the programs are real. I even believe they've observed phenomena/ recovered samples they can't explain. None of that is direct evidence of aliens. If the US government actually possesses meta-materials of non human origin, they will never be declassified as long as the potential to weaponize them exists. If they do not, it is still to their advantage for their adversaries to believe they might. As such no position of authority within the US government gives the meat of the claim -nonhuman origins- any greater legitimacy. It makes the claims the programs are real more legitimate. It makes the claims that they have recovered objects more legitimate. But my priors on the likely origin of those objects have not been shifted by any of evidence thusfar presented. At no point has he made any sort of claim as to WHY they believe they have evidence of non human technology, merely asserted that the evidence exists. If it exists and this guy has the clearance, then he should have leaked that. I know he said he's keeping it secret for security but then what was the point of leaking it in such a way as to be indistinguishable from a psyop? All the people like you already believe what he's claiming, and all the people like me won't be convinced by the level of evidence he's presenting. What has been accomplished?

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Post by kwertyoowiyop »

LargeWu wrote: post #122
Loquebantur wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence in real life is accumulative, not "holy grail style", like in the movies. You build a case step by step, systematically establishing a context. Here you already missed all the prior foundational work. On top of it you pretend to be able to judge the validity of "artifacts". That is mere posturing. You miss the slightly more important point of having been lied to your entire life by the government about funda…

To be fair, though, the claim here is "intact vehicles". That's as holy grail as it gets.

Let’s see one, then.

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Post by qup »

Loquebantur wrote: post #126
PKop wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that high level government agents don't lie? That he isn't no-name makes the lie more plausible of course. We're talking hypothetical and possibilities here, that you're completely rejecting the possibility of a government lie is pretty silly. >supporting testimony from a whole array of decorated people in important positions C'mon man lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_an…

I don't think you understand in the slightest what is being said here. If you assume, this guy was lying on behalf of the government you might want to try to rationalize that, because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. That idea about the US wanting to impress other nations with bogus UFO tech is ridiculously stupid. You completely underestimate other countries for instance.

You're largely attacking the person here, instead of their argument.

I think "lying on behalf of the government" happens like...constantly. (See: war in ukraine) I don't really think this guy is lying, but ruling it out is...well, "ridiculously stupid."

It doesn't have to be rationalized. There's a littany of reasons we could invent that could justify lying about UFOs. This government has many foolish people in positions of power. Those people in, in theory, can do foolish things that don't make any sense whatsoever.

And the claim we're up against is literally aliens. You gotta bring receipts on that, and war medals aren't enough.

I'm highly interested to see this develop, and I haven't chosen sides yet. I would fucking LOVE to see what the world does if they get smacked in the face with proof of aliens. I am giddy with excitement.

But I'm not taking this guy's word for it, yet.

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Post by Loquebantur »

kevinwang wrote: post #123
phyalow wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-ga... There, is a Stanford Professor good enough for you? This is also referenced in the article: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237309319_On_Events...

Thanks for the links, the interview was a good read! I guess if the findings are just like little chunks of metal with some weird isotopes I'm not very convinced that they're like alien technology or anything. The original article seems to be implying that there's like some extraordinary clear evidence of a vehicle or something, which would be much more shocking.

The whistleblower claims, crash retrieval programs exist which are reported by very believable people in the government to have craft of non-human origin.

Your depiction of the story is clearly misleading. This here is a mere step in the direction of uncovering such "material evidence" as you would like to be presented right now, as if reality ever worked that way.

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Post by Loquebantur »

kevinwang wrote: post #133
lisasays wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not evidence. That's hearsay. Fragments, please. Or photos, or at least reasonably credible scientific reports describing these fragments. Or at least something resembling, you know -- first-hand evidence . Otherwise there's nothing to talk about here. Can't believe I have to explain this on HN.

Also it seems like even the whistleblower does not have first-hand evidence: "Grusch also said he has not seen photos of the alleged craft himself, but has spoken extensively with other intelligence officials who have." from https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us...

Why would he have such "first hand evidence"? That makes no sense at all.

Do you suppose, he could have carted one of the vehicles out the facilitie or something?

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