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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by Barrin92 » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:53 PM UTC

dontupvoteme wrote: post #186

Barrin92 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We just want reddit without the bullshit as the overused quote goes, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. If you join a platform that's run by a large profit driven entity you're going to get squeezed sooner or later. Another relevant example, Twitch today passed some rather draconic rules on branding and ads run by users. You can say you're okay with the…

>Another relevant example, Twitch today passed some rather draconic rules on branding and ads run by users. Users? The user is the one watching. And from what I see Twitch is preventing people on their platform from making it a streaming billboard service. I think this is a broken clock corporate policy. I only watch but one or two people on the platform and they don't really do ads, but something has to keep the can…

This isn't keeping ad-tech in check. Twitch itself is an advertisement business. They continuously have increased the amount of ads they run. (for people who don't know what this is about, twitch has introduced rules that keep banners on streams to 3% of the screen size and banned 'burned-in', that is independent ads run by creators)

The entire point of this is the same as Reddit's, to take away direct revenue agreements between creators and third parties, so they can take a cut on every transaction made. How can anyone on earth hope that internet monopolists ban independent revenue channels for content creators? Google is also an advertisement business. They will never ban sponsorships, they will just force everyone to use their APIs.

There is no need for anyone to moderate this for the very simple reason that you, as the watcher, can simply turn the stream off if you don't like what the streamer shows you.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by RobotToaster » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:54 PM UTC

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

I see the netsplit issue caused by server level blocking to be the biggest issue with lemmy/mastodon.

Choosing a server wouldn't be a huge issue if you knew for certain you could still access the posts/content on any other server. Currently what you can access depends entirely on the whims of your (and their) local BOFH.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by AviationAtom » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:55 PM UTC

BowBun wrote: post #26

Funny to see people quick to make fun of a project for not being able to instantly handle a spike in requests, which most of their own apps wouldn't either! Reddit has been around nearly 20 years to harden their infrastructure. Relax and give them a minute. Their page loads for me now that I've typed this out, anyway.

They talk a little about the state of the project and it's ability to scale here: https://beehaw.org/post/438094

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by willcipriano » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:55 PM UTC

lyu07282 wrote: post #183

willcipriano wrote: post #94

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You know how people in California claim that the homeless problem there is due to them having programs to support the homeless, and that if other states did a better job their state would have less of a problem? Well if you are basically the only website that allows all legal speech, you are going to see a lot of stuff that was censored elsewhere. I'd love to see a version of this created by a more left wing group of…

Banning nazis and other hate speech isn't "abandoning free speech", the right has just lost their collective minds. Literally banning books from schools and pretending its the liberal mainstream (which isn't even remotely left in reality btw.) who are against free speech.

I'm reminded of a Rage Against The Machine lyric from back when public schools were mostly controlled by the religious right: "They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em"

Back then they didn't need to ban books, they just didn't order them to be placed in the library in the first place. I'd be curious to see how much of the work of authors like Thomas Sowell is available in these libraries, I suspect very little but without all the tears about it being banned.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by anoonmoose » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:56 PM UTC

johnnyanmac wrote: post #170

anoonmoose wrote: post #24

There's also some weird drama going on over a user complaining about Lyft's response to an issue, and then Lyft responding to the user's post with their real name (which was not attached to the reddit account). If Reddit removed the comment I haven't seen that yet, so the two stories feel vaguely similar in a way. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/142094g/i_was_...

tangential, but that graveyard sort of reminds me why I left reddit. I understand that there are a lot of off topic comments, but surely there must be some better way to encourage proper moderation than having a mod delete 80% of the comments, remove the post (which in and of itself wasn't rulebreaking AFAIK), then lock the post. Then after all that have the mod speak from an ivory tower about how "Y'all can't behave…

I can't particularly agree in this case. I don't think /r/legaladvice is better off having a thousand incorrect, off-topic responses to a question. It was locked when I saw it first and I didn't think that was weird- they usually do that once approximately correct advice has come in but people are still replying. The post being removed surprised me but then again, I don't know that there's really an actionable legal question here, so it was mostly just a lightning rod. And complaining about how people can't behave feels reasonable to me when people aren't following the rules. I got plenty of issues with reddit but I don't actualy agree with any of your complaints here.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by skyyler » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:58 PM UTC

willcipriano wrote: post #155

skyyler wrote: post #142

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Left wing free speech groups exist on Matrix and Telegram. Everything in the feed is coming from a right wing perspective. May I re-state that Gab promoted a hitler themed novelty account named Kitler? On a free speech absolutist website I'd expect to see some of my fellow leftoids calling for the slaughter of landlords, but I didn't see that anywhere; only rightoids calling for the slaughter of jews and homosexuals.

> Left wing free speech groups exist on Matrix and Telegram. I'm not familiar with any of those, care to link one? > fellow leftoids calling for the slaughter of landlords, but I didn't see that anywhere You can find that sort of content with ease on Reddit. Those people are probably mostly over there or in similar places. Gab has less users and engagement so only the people prohibited from speaking elsewhere find th…

I’m not getting into an argument with you, I’m just letting you know that gab is a nazi website.

There are free speech zones that don’t promote posts about killing Jewish people.

By continuing to promote Gab, you will find yourself drawn to spaces that won’t challenge your promotion of a literal social media site for nazis.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by a_random_canuck » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:58 PM UTC

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

There's also the fact that it's filled with genocide-denying CCP-apologists, communists, etc. A bit of an ideological cesspool...

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by badsectoracula » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:58 PM UTC

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign up and to find other users on the platform.

How is it difficult to sign up? I signed up to mastodon.gamedev.place because i learned about it from someone else and the process took me a few minutes. After that i was able to follow people pretty much the same way as in Twitter and some of them are from other instances.

IMO the main reason Mastodon doesn't have as many users is because in practice there isn't much of a reason to switch to Mastodon when Twitter does the work good enough.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by bandrami » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 6:58 PM UTC

2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #64

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #5

This has been fun to watch. Reddits been working to deteriorate its quality for a long time. The major disappointment is that they aren't a publicly traded company so there is no way to make money on their downfall.

The reddit redesign is still a marvel of technology, in a negative way. I can not comprehend how it is even possible to make a piece of software, be it online or offline, that mainly just has to display text (and the occasional video, thumbnail or image), so incredibly slow and bug ridden. It's truly baffling. The editor for comments is buggy, regularly posts comments twice, can't handle copy/paste properly, "there w…

Also why does the mobile site try so hard to get me on the app? Why do they care? They have my eyeballs either way but they seem to take umbrage when I use my phone's browser.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by willcipriano » Tue, Jun 06, 2023, 7:04 PM UTC

skyyler wrote: post #226

willcipriano wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Left wing free speech groups exist on Matrix and Telegram. I'm not familiar with any of those, care to link one? > fellow leftoids calling for the slaughter of landlords, but I didn't see that anywhere You can find that sort of content with ease on Reddit. Those people are probably mostly over there or in similar places. Gab has less users and engagement so only the people prohibited from speaking elsewhere find th…

I’m not getting into an argument with you, I’m just letting you know that gab is a nazi website. There are free speech zones that don’t promote posts about killing Jewish people. By continuing to promote Gab, you will find yourself drawn to spaces that won’t challenge your promotion of a literal social media site for nazis.

Calls to violence are not legal speech and if you see some you can report it and it should be removed. Andrew Torba (the owner) frequently makes this stance clear.