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Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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For anyone in pursuit of surreal experiences and reality-perspective shifts without using LSD, lucid dreaming works just great. I didn’t use LSD but from what I read, I can tell the experience is very similar. Source: I am a lucid dreamer.

It’s totally learnable (if you don’t have aphantasia afaict), although the internet is full of clickbait scammers. I can recommend learning sources if anyone wants.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Maybe it isn't. What I mean is, it doesn't seem to be a problem for them. A peer reviewed study of their own life experience isn't necessary for them to be a lot happier post-trip than pre-trip. Correlated with many other peoples' experiences, there is at least strong correlation evidence between certain drug use and epiphanies. Sure, "person ready to take drugs to have epiphany" might mean they were on the cusp of o…

Well I guess I was not very clear with my words then. I didn't say it was a problem for them, and they seem to be perfectly happy at the idea of their big epiphany coming from LSD. But I wasn't taking issue with that, I believe they believe that. I simply meant the "problem" with ascribing the epiphany to LSD is there is no way to know in an individual case if LSD had anything to do at all with it, because we know ve…

We know very little about a lot. Including things society believes we know a lot or all about. Scientific evidence isn’t infallible or the be all end all.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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> these substances by nature cannot be double-blind trialed because blinding is impossible That's a bold claim. You can try multiple different substances, the test subjects know they ingest a psychedelic, but don't know which, which allows you to have a control group. Clinical trials would face other issues, but not this one.

You run into another problem here: those other psychedelics may also cause the same changes.

It still might be worth trying though, if it can be done ethically. It's not a perfect test, but it's halfway decent?

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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What about people who did psychedelics and got severe anxiety, depresion, panic attacks? Why the dark side of using drugs is always forgoten. It feels like cartels invested in PR - upside only.

As someone who now occasionally suffers panic attacks due to psychedelic use, I agree: people downplay the risks because it suits their personal narrative and experience. Perhaps as a pushback against years of over-exaggeration re: risks, per another poster, but nevertheless a definite under emphasis on the dangers these drugs pose.

My panic attacks went away because of psychedelics. Sorry yours was the opposite.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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I can see the first one fairly clearly in my default state of consciousness, which I suppose confirms my theory that I have higher-than-average vision persistence. (I have never used psychedelics, and do not plan to) Tips to make it stand out more: HDR monitor at max brightness, increase playback speed to 2x Try not to follow the movement, but keep your eyes on a fixed location (e.g. a speck of dust on your screen)

> increase playback speed to 2x But that's cheating -make it fast enough any anyone can see it I suppose.

Do you normally have the ability to see things at half-speed?

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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I feel like time goes by “slower” for me ever since I did a heroic dose a few years ago. Used to be stressed the f out all the time. Now I feel like I can enjoy every full second. Crazy how much time we have in life when we just stop paying attention to the negative energies like stress and instead channel them into storage for something positive later. I’ve always been efficient and quick at learning new things and…

The problem is, of course, you have no idea if that dose is what caused the change. That change in personal outlook may have been coming your direction anyway, or you may have experienced it sooner if you hadn't been doing LSD at all.

It is little-known but clearly established knowledge that psychedelics are very potent at curbing inflammation, including inflammation in the central nervous system. Inflammation in the CNS and feeling bad are highly correlated.

For more information, see this paper for instance – Psychedelics and Immunomodulation by Dr. Attila Szabo of the University of Norway, published in 2015: https://doi.org/10.3389%2Ffimmu.2015.00358

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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I can see the first one fairly clearly in my default state of consciousness, which I suppose confirms my theory that I have higher-than-average vision persistence. (I have never used psychedelics, and do not plan to) Tips to make it stand out more: HDR monitor at max brightness, increase playback speed to 2x Try not to follow the movement, but keep your eyes on a fixed location (e.g. a speck of dust on your screen)

Do you see all of your life with extreme motion blur? Can you see anything clearly while walking or driving?

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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So, psychedelics can give you a longer exposure vision. It might be useful for looking at stars and galaxies. Not so much for everything else.

It's not just vision! Psychedelics give all perceptions including mental concepts "long exposure" as well, causing them to overlap in ways which rarely happen sober. This allows for forming wholly new connections and insights otherwise out of reach for the sober mind.

> Psychedelics give all perceptions including mental concepts "long exposure" as well, causing them to overlap in ways which rarely happen sober.

> This allows for forming wholly new connections and insights otherwise out of reach for the sober mind.

For me, LSD seemed to reveal some brand new type of thought or concept that could be recognized by the sound or impression that it made. My speech center would spit out complete gibberish when fed these types of thoughts. Actual quotes I typed while on LSD:

"can have a haves and take a three sixteenth quarters"

"can have an um somethings or others .... mmm much of somethings or others.... can havings a taken umpteenth very good time ...."

Normal thoughts for me are based on words and images, but these ones were based on some sort of "proximity". I could somehow sense the strength of certain patterns, recognize them, and manipulate them, even if they had no actual meaning. It felt like I got to re-learn very basic fundamental concepts in the form of this brand new type of thought. Some of them just felt pleasant to think about even if I didn't know what they meant, so I'd commonly find them looping in the background. I still find this extremely fascinating and it's probably one of the biggest reasons why I hope to have more psychedelic trips in the future.

I learned plenty of patterns and have plenty of memories of them, but seemingly can't decode those memories when sober, probably because those mental patterns simply aren't visible to me right now. I can remember certain types of artifacts generated by them though, like the gibberish words, some sounds, etc., at least the ones I committed to memory.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Cool stuff but there are some omissions that leave me wondering how correct this is. 1. What's the proper way to experience this? No information is given on how the judges experienced this content. Did they watch it in 1080p or 360p? Did they watch it over YouTube or on a local player? Did they watch it on a loop or did they have to manually play it every loop? Did they watch it in a dark room or with the lights on?…

> I suspect these messages rely on the tendancy of someone tripping to stare off into space so the afterimage effect can come into play.

Not necessarily. I've taken LSD before and it legitimately seems to increase persistence of vision (otherwise known as tracers). If I wave my paw in a circle on LSD, I can see a short trail behind it, and it seems to slightly lag behind its actual real-world position (by around a quarter of a second?).

It looks a lot like this: https://youtu.be/ggFKLxAQBbc?t=26

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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The experience you described is no indicator of whether "volume of thought is still much higher than normal" though? You'd have the exact same experience if the actual mechanism is that "had the label on [your] memories altered". To scientifically test this, you'd need some normalized "benchmark task" of thought, and then compare the difference in progress on such a thought task between the control and psychedelic ca…

>To scientifically test this... I swear, you people turn science into a religious ritual. First-hand observation (which we have here) is the gold standard for knowledge-derivation. Science is just a method for ensuring that our models hew close to that. What you assert here is mere convention.

> First-hand observation

Well no, it is not. If you spot an UFO, chances are your "first-hand observation" is lying to you.

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