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Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by vidarh »

icehawk wrote: post #172
bhouston wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mastodon's issues are: (1) poor discovery (2) if I am on one mastodon site, I can not just retweet that post, I have to go to my server and then cut-and-paste a link to that other site. (3) no quote tweeting, important for vitality. (4) and most importantly, no ranked/AI-managed feed. Thus it is filled with noise. In many ways, Mastodon is a purposely janked product because people don't want to make things easy to go…

(4) and most importantly, no ranked/AI-managed feed. Thus it is filled with noise. If you're in control of your feed, and your feed is filled with noise, I wouldn't call that a Mastodon issue.

The thing is, I have the choice between following too few people to get enough of the stuff that really interests me, or having a deluge that I can't possibly get through, where most of it is not of interest to me, because of what the people I'm interested in seeing certain stuff from posts is stuff I'm not interested in.

Without a ranked/AI-managed feed I'm not truly in control of my feed - without it, I'm forced to curate who I follow based on different criteria to what I want.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by tetris11 »

PhilipRoman wrote: post #171
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

Forgive my arrogance but how is it physically possible for Lemmy to be slow? It has 3.3k monthly users, you can probably fit the entire lemmyverse on a $10 vps.

https://lemmy.ml/comment/453356

Also they're holding everything in a single large SQL database which doesn't seem to scale great, and could do well to have some kind of batch queuing process (with some redis magic?) to handle multiple large requests

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by jamesdwilson »

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

Nobody wants it SO MUCH that Reddit has banned people trying to get people to go there.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by yreg »

DANmode wrote: post #97
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> We just want reddit without the bullshit. Rhetorically: What are you willing to do for it? How are you willing to change? The way reddit was offered in its early days was a bait and switch. It wasn't real .

It was real for many years. I doubt Aaron, kn0thing or even Huffman at the time considered it a bait with a long term plan to get to the current state.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by vintermann »

tensor wrote: post #164
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

In addition to the UX of Mastodon/Lemmy, I also think the moderation or lack of it is a major issue. It would be nice if this got more attention, because it's even a weak point of places like reddit. On the plus side, reddit does have some blanket site wide content moderation that targets some of the most egregious and illegal content. I think that's good, and I don't think "leaving it up to individual server admins…

It seems to me that most popular Mastodon/Lemmy instances outlaw more stuff than reddit. How good they are at enforcing it is another matter.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by jtode »

tensor wrote: post #164
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

In addition to the UX of Mastodon/Lemmy, I also think the moderation or lack of it is a major issue. It would be nice if this got more attention, because it's even a weak point of places like reddit. On the plus side, reddit does have some blanket site wide content moderation that targets some of the most egregious and illegal content. I think that's good, and I don't think "leaving it up to individual server admins…

Reddit useless to me, because I am either banned or shadowbanned in several of the subreddits dedicated to my interests or which are otherwise relevant.

r/Winnipeg, which is my hometown and still a city I drive into on the regular, is controlled as an echo chamber by a group of elite admins. It doesn't matter what kind of echo chamber, except to say, it's my viewpoint that dominates the echo chamber.

Nonetheless, my tone (which on Reddit was very similar to my tone on here) was enough to get me shadowbanned. If I have no voice in the sub dedicated to my community based on an arbitrary decision by an unknown admin and which I wasn't even supposed to know about, let alone appeal the decision... that's a garbage platform, you ask me.

r/GratefulDead is likewise run by a tiny dictator. In theory there's other admins that could take action, but they don't.

In theory this is all fine and within Reddit's rules, which are clearly garbage. If they are positioning themselves as the de facto public square, you can't have arbitrary and anonymous censorship.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by irrational »

I signed up for Lemmy and was approved. Then I tried to create a community. It never worked. I tried numerous times on different computers, but it just spins and spins after clicking the create button. I have no idea why since there are no error messages. If they really want Lemmy to succeed, they need to do a lot more work to make it user friendly.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

you hit the nail on the spot. I tried to register, I didn't get how it works and I consider myself somewhat tech savvy. Closed and never opened again. Twitter is so much easier to use and it is all in one place instead of trying to find servers(?) on mastodon.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by SllX »

mindslight wrote: post #176
SllX wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doing so would impugn the free speech and property interests of the server owners. Why does Reddit have to host speech that it doesn’t want to? Why does anybody? Why is their right to exclude subject to limitations on the government of the United States when they are a private corporation? If the FTC wants to bring that suit, they can try, but that’s a lot to prove and I don’t think they’ll be able to count to 1, let…

> Why does [should] Reddit have to host speech that it doesn’t want to? For the same reason that landlords have to continue housing people doing things that the landlord disagrees with. Because they took what was their private dwelling, offered it to the public as housing, and invited in a new party that has their own rights. I don't really have a dog in the "deplatforming" fight, because I think the sooner we move t…

The right to exclude is the same in both instances but the facts of each individual case matter. In the case of a landlord-tenant relationship, the landlord’s rights are still dominant but the tenant also has rights which compromise the landlord’s rights to a certain extent by a contract agreed to by both parties. Some jurisdictions may also have additional tenants rights enshrined in law, but generally speaking, if a landlord wants to evict, he is going to be able to evict. If you buy a house you intend to move into from someone who has rented the property out, barring some contractual reason you can’t that would be disclosed in the purchasing process, you’re going to be able to evict that family and move in once you own the house.

Social media companies don’t lose their right to exclude by having allowed you to sign up and use their services. They can still exclude you (read: ban you) pretty much at-will subject to their terms of service (so pretty much always at-will) and it’s not disingenuous to point out that yes, this is in fact their right as the owners and operators of the service.

Other service providers the facts may be different. If you have a contract with a service provider, you have a lot more in your favor under a negotiated agreement than the people that clicked “I Agree” the last time a social media company changed their TOS.

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