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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by mschuster91 »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #137
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> We just want reddit without the bullshit. What is the Reddit bullshit?

Constant A/B testing, insane issues with the 25 API calls each homepage load makes, stuff is constantly shifting around, it takes ages for feedback even from the mods of popular subs to be implemented, Reddit Corporate seems to be more interested in beancounting than transparency and product development...

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by mcherm »

SmashPingu wrote: post #87
mrguyorama wrote: post #79

Let me guess; This is one of the accounts that was just posting the same "Migrate to lemmy!" message in every single thread talking about the protest next week. Spam is spam guys.

Everything about this seems incredibly suspect. Reddit wouldn't ever ban anyone for suggesting an alternative (there's a whole subreddit dedicated to that). This just seems to be a shill capitalizing on the news, plain and simple.

> there's a whole subreddit dedicated to that

Which one?

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by SllX »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #119
feyes wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how freedom of speech works at all. These are not publicly funded platforms. They are businesses and as such need to censor speech in order to maintain relationships with businesses. Twitter is a great example. They start to loosen up on the hate speech and advertisers flee while simultaneously clamping down on anti government speech. I do not support free speech absolutism for private businesses because o…

Multiple people saying the same thing so I guess I'll reply to yours. However these are communications platforms. So is it clear that if AT&T wanted it could say I cannot talk about my silly hats only club, they could intervene to block my communications? Or if my landlord felt I shouldn't have a specific sign (not signs in general), or even to just say words they dont agree with, they could bar that from their prope…

Or the facts of every circumstance matters a lot more in how the law is applied than you are willing to give it credit for.

A telecoms company like AT&T is subject to common carrier provisions and regulation by the FCC under the Communications Act of 1934.

If a landlord wanted to prevent you from putting up signs on the property, they probably can put that in the lease agreement but their free speech interests and property interests while still dominant are compromised to an extent as well by having rented the property out to you, but not to the extent that your free speech and property interests (like your personal property) are entirely compromised either. Their ability to evict is dependent on jurisdiction, but such a case would likely turn a lot on the facts depending on the jurisdiction.

Dress codes however can be arbitrary. You can be excluded from a club because the owner doesn’t like your shoes, and yes, that’s legal. Their property interest in this case entirely trumps your free speech interest. Having strong property rights is in part why we are a free nation, but sometimes when there are clashing interests, someone’s interests are going to win out and 9/10 it will be in favor of the property owner’s interest.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by vidarh »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #135
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> slow There's nothing intrinsically slow about this model. There are some reasons a lemmy instance might be slow — like a prejudiced attitude to the best way to monetize such sites and hence not enough money for servers, but there's no intrinstic reason. > difficult to use The link complains about it being hard to follow remote communities. Of course, without federation, there's no way to follow remote communities a…

The "difficulty" here can also be improved significantly in many different ways. E.g. a browser extension that allows auto-filling a form field with webfinger id is all that's needed to build a better flow for a lot of these federated services.

There are ways which would work without extensions too. E.g. a DHT mapping -> instance url. It doesn't even need to be perfect. Worst case you need to fill in the correct instance hostname.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by willcipriano »

skyyler wrote: post #142
willcipriano wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know how people in California claim that the homeless problem there is due to them having programs to support the homeless, and that if other states did a better job their state would have less of a problem? Well if you are basically the only website that allows all legal speech, you are going to see a lot of stuff that was censored elsewhere. I'd love to see a version of this created by a more left wing group of…

Left wing free speech groups exist on Matrix and Telegram. Everything in the feed is coming from a right wing perspective. May I re-state that Gab promoted a hitler themed novelty account named Kitler? On a free speech absolutist website I'd expect to see some of my fellow leftoids calling for the slaughter of landlords, but I didn't see that anywhere; only rightoids calling for the slaughter of jews and homosexuals.

> Left wing free speech groups exist on Matrix and Telegram.

I'm not familiar with any of those, care to link one?

> fellow leftoids calling for the slaughter of landlords, but I didn't see that anywhere

You can find that sort of content with ease on Reddit. Those people are probably mostly over there or in similar places. Gab has less users and engagement so only the people prohibited from speaking elsewhere find themselves there.

While Gab has lots of ideas I disagree with it was the only place I found that I could discuss things like the Wuhan lab leak theory or the contents of Hunter Bidens laptop. Twitter and Reddit both banned me for discussing those topics.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by unethical_ban »

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

This has nothing to do with the post.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by imachine1980_ »

goplayoutside wrote: post #109
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug. From the (currently) top comment in the lemmy post you linked[1], which relates a story about alt.sysadmin.recovery in the 70's/80's: >Which brings me back to my point. A few hoops to jump through and a few initial challenges to adoption can go a long way as a filter for who can show up and interact. Of course we would want Lemmy to be welcoming to anyone w…

The problem is writers who don't focus In tech probably won't be in the app, history reddit, manga, bodybuilders are high Quality subrredits that can't translate so easy to lemmy

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by amadeuspagel »

mattmcknight wrote: post #143
amadeuspagel wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> slow There's nothing intrinsically slow about this model. There are some reasons a lemmy instance might be slow — like a prejudiced attitude to the best way to monetize such sites and hence not enough money for servers, but there's no intrinstic reason. > difficult to use The link complains about it being hard to follow remote communities. Of course, without federation, there's no way to follow remote communities a…

But you can't follow anything from within HN. But you can follow a subreddit in a feed reader- even HN. https://www.reddit.com/r/hackernews.rss

Same is true for lemmy: https://lemmy.ml/feeds/c/lemmy.xml?sort=Active

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by scrollaway »

iamleppert wrote: post #131

If you spend "countless hours of your personal time" working on a commercial web site for free, that just makes you a fool. Stop spending your life and time working for a corporation that couldn't care less about you and isn't compensating you. When that corporation decides it is done with you, you can't cry over it. You gave away your most valuable asset - time for free to a company that made money off of you. The m…

> The minute Hacker News starts to monetize I'm gone like a fart in the wind.

I have some gaseous news for you.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by LordShredda »

goplayoutside wrote: post #109
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug. From the (currently) top comment in the lemmy post you linked[1], which relates a story about alt.sysadmin.recovery in the 70's/80's: >Which brings me back to my point. A few hoops to jump through and a few initial challenges to adoption can go a long way as a filter for who can show up and interact. Of course we would want Lemmy to be welcoming to anyone w…

No one likes secret internet clubs, they're lame and end up as a circlejerk or a hugbox, much like early IRC servers and discord servers now.

Opinion: lobste.rs sucks because you need to be one of the chosen people to post there, and you're only chosen if you think like someone already in there. The posts there are very high quality, but it might as well be a hivemind's blog. Why would I read someone else's comments when I could make my own, on a different website with the same links posted?

But you don't want to end up like reddit, with their facebook tier front page and repetitive, bot(-like ?) comments. Reddit sucks now is because they let anyone post anything, and the admins want to capture the stream of quick, digital trash coming out of tiktok and the likes. That's what the shareholders want, more users to sell ads. Who cares what the peons babble about, make sure whoever visits the site doesnt have an ad blocker and stick around a long time.

Having a small community lets you specialize more and, in my opinion, specializing a website is much healthier. Discussions are much more pleasant when you go to traffic-forum or chair-forum dot com to discuss traffic tech or leather chairs. You go to reddit, or facebook, or whatever, and see mounds of unrelated videos and pictures flooding your screen. The moderators don't do their job because when you allow everything, you only have to do the bare minimum.

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