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Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by iamleppert »

If you spend "countless hours of your personal time" working on a commercial web site for free, that just makes you a fool. Stop spending your life and time working for a corporation that couldn't care less about you and isn't compensating you. When that corporation decides it is done with you, you can't cry over it. You gave away your most valuable asset - time for free to a company that made money off of you.

The minute Hacker News starts to monetize I'm gone like a fart in the wind.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by jrflowers »

eimrine wrote: post #69
re-actor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything without the ability to delete user content becomes instantly unusable due to spam, pornbots and (if the site get big enough) CSAM.

Then CSAM point becomes kind of a religion for social networks. Either a social network is able to resist government's urge of terrorism prevention and child protection (I am referencing to some famous meme on censourship) or its moderator's ego is going to have an endless growing exposed in banning some users with some fancy excuses. Now try to convince me that Lemme is not a spam from Reddit's PoV.

How do you stop your website from being filled with CSAM? “Religion” aside, what do you actually do with your mouse and keyboard when you see CSAM pop up on a website that you pay for?

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by typon »

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> We just want reddit without the bullshit.

And who's going to pay for it?

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by anoonmoose »

polski-g wrote: post #106
bovermyer wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech is only protected from government censorship, not private party censorship. Further, communications platforms are not public forums in the legal sense. Unless, of course, you're advocating for the government to nationalize Twitter et al. That's a whole 'nother conversation.

Why is freedom of association not protected in the same manner? Private freedom of association was ended when the CRA was passed.

I think most people would not agree that "private freedom of association" has ended in the US. There are protected classes, you're not allowed to discriminate against someone for their existence as a member of a protected class, but there are definitely still plenty of ways in which I'm allowed to bar people as I see fit (in my locale, "no Biden/Trump supporters allowed" would be legal).

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by amadeuspagel »

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> slow

There's nothing intrinsically slow about this model. There are some reasons a lemmy instance might be slow — like a prejudiced attitude to the best way to monetize such sites and hence not enough money for servers, but there's no intrinstic reason.

> difficult to use

The link complains about it being hard to follow remote communities. Of course, without federation, there's no way to follow remote communities at all. If you discover a subreddit you like you can't follow it from within HN.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by [deleted] »

goplayoutside wrote: post #109
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug. From the (currently) top comment in the lemmy post you linked[1], which relates a story about alt.sysadmin.recovery in the 70's/80's: >Which brings me back to my point. A few hoops to jump through and a few initial challenges to adoption can go a long way as a filter for who can show up and interact. Of course we would want Lemmy to be welcoming to anyone w…

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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by erikpukinskis »

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> We just want reddit without the bullshit.

What is the Reddit bullshit?

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by monetus »

silisili wrote: post #121
DANmode wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We just want reddit without the bullshit. Rhetorically: What are you willing to do for it? How are you willing to change? The way reddit was offered in its early days was a bait and switch. It wasn't real .

I mean, Voat was exactly that. The problem was they did nothing to moderate at all, so every sub was basically stormfront. I'm ok with those people existing and even having their own lil sub, but not so much that if I'm just looking for news I get peppered with memes about jews being evil.

- Started out as peppered and then became nothing but, like an example of the "neonazis taking over a bar" story. It drove me into infrequently, and then never using it. The site's operators seemed to be on board with that though from what I remember.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by anoonmoose »

Root_Denied wrote: post #120
krisoft wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are asking for is a new law. There is nothing wrong with that! Just important to understand that the FTC and the courts don’t make laws. They only work with the existing laws. If you want new laws the legislature is the proper place to ask for it. There is an other problem. What you are asking for is probably going to have issues with the first amendment. This might sound weird, and you probably will feel so…

There's been discussion of applying Common Carrier protections and limitations to ISPs, why not to places that host public discourse? I agree though, a new set of laws that govern online spaces is probably needed (despite my trepidation of the current crop of legislators and their general/basic understanding of tech).

The "why not" would be because in some cases the outcome is worse. I agree that ISPs should be common carriers. I disagree that social media sites should be. To me this is analogous to "everyone should be allowed to travel on public property, not everyone should be allowed in my bar".
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