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Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by gigatexal »

zamadatix wrote: post #11

From a follow up post on Mastadon https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/110497512340479... : "Also in this update: We now have a cpuidle driver, which significantly lowers idle power consumption by enabling deep CPU sleep. You should also get better battery runtime both idle and during sleep, especially on M1 Pro/Max machines. Thanks to the cpuidle driver, s2idle now works properly, which should fix timekeepin…

Such an amazing set of engineers jacking away at this. What awesome work they’re doing.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by speed_spread »

roboben wrote: post #5

I can’t wait for M2 (pro) support for my MacBook Pro. I was long term Thinkpad/Arch Linux user and really want to go back to such setup. Sadly I didn’t find anything better hardware-wise than the MacBook but I love Linux. I know they are focused on getting it to a good quality on M1 first but eagerly consuming all project updates! Good job team!

I'm still waiting for Apple Silicon that's fast enough to run Gentoo Portage at Arch Pacman speed.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by nsonha »

lonjil wrote: post #54
tormeh wrote: post #49

Sorry, but what's the point? Why not just buy a Linux laptop and have everything work out of the box? Why are Linux enthusiasts putting so much effort into supporting hardware from companies that - at best - ignore Linux? This question is also valid for other manufacturers, btw, not just Apple. So much time wasted doing free labor for hardware companies that will just break your stuff with the next hardware iteration…

> Why not just buy a Linux laptop and have everything work out of the box? Why are Linux enthusiasts putting so much effort into supporting hardware from companies that - at best - ignore Linux? Almost all laptops sold with Linux pre-installed or with support advertized only work well with Linux due to volunteer work similar to what is being done with Apple's stuff right now. Almost everything is proprietary with clo…

Are there commercially available arm-based linux laptops? I'm not after horsepower just decent battery life and enough computing power to do non-AI programming.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by nsonha »

ac29 wrote: post #108
kaba0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not just buy a Linux laptop Please tell me where is it because I will buy it instantly, and I’m only half kidding. I don’t see how making linux available on possibly the currently available best laptop hardware any different to the previous decades of hacking a working wifi driver into the kernel. It was always an uphill battle, and we should be thankful for those who take up the hard work!

System76? Framework? Even Dell has a number of Linux laptops. If your requirements are "must run an Apple designed ARM processor", then yes, your choices are pretty limited.

ANY arm processor, do tell

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by hedora »

acomjean wrote: post #130
microtonal wrote: post #119

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Two years ago or so I bought a ThinkPad with an AMD Ryzen CPU, there was a lot of hype about them. How Linux laptops were finally competitive, speed, driver, and battery-wise. The machine was quite a bit slower than an M1 Air, would have loud fans during video meetings, and on Linux the battery would typically last 3 hours (6-7 on Windows, yes I did all the usual power optimizations). In S3 sleep it would discharge o…

Sorry it didn't work for you. I would recommend anyone buying at notebook to get one with linux pre-installed. I did that because I want to use this thing, not futz with it. I'm assuming you're using Asahi Linux on your Macs (though you said you wouldn't touch it..). The lack of hardware diversity should make comparability easier, even if everything need to be reversed engineered. I get 6 hours or so on my machine. I…

What ryzen laptop is this that you keep referencing?

The negative experiences with the thinkpad are typical of all the intel laptops I have recently used, preloaded OS (including Windows, and to a lesser extent, Linux and MacOS), or not.

Whenever I look for an AMD laptop, it has a low resolution (1080p) display, and/or an off-center keyboard/trackpad (or has some other obvious fatal flaw).

I'm typing this on an M2 macbook. I do 100% of my work in an "8 core" arm Linux VM that can only use one core for userspace stuff (according to top), but that still kicks the pants off my previous laptop.

I'm strongly considering dual booting into asahi.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by acomjean »

hedora wrote: post #145
acomjean wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry it didn't work for you. I would recommend anyone buying at notebook to get one with linux pre-installed. I did that because I want to use this thing, not futz with it. I'm assuming you're using Asahi Linux on your Macs (though you said you wouldn't touch it..). The lack of hardware diversity should make comparability easier, even if everything need to be reversed engineered. I get 6 hours or so on my machine. I…

What ryzen laptop is this that you keep referencing? The negative experiences with the thinkpad are typical of all the intel laptops I have recently used, preloaded OS (including Windows, and to a lesser extent, Linux and MacOS), or not. Whenever I look for an AMD laptop, it has a low resolution (1080p) display, and/or an off-center keyboard/trackpad (or has some other obvious fatal flaw). I'm typing this on an M2 ma…

Its a system76 pangolin (2022)

>Whenever I look for an AMD laptop, it has a low resolution (1080p) display, and/or an off-center keyboard/trackpad (or has some other obvious fatal flaw).

yup it has both of those. But the screen is only15", and I'm old so it doesn't matter. It not glossy which I really like though.

If you love the mac hardware, give Asahi a try. My understanding its the best linux for the M-series macbooks. Linux is great for developing on and they seem to be making great progress.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

psanford wrote: post #134
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #101

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Point me to the Apple contributed drivers in the kernel please.

Why does Apple need to contribute to this work to make it somehow legitimate or good? I own some nice hardware (an m2-air), I want to run Linux on it. Asahi allows me to do that! Why can we not celebrate that the asahi team is bringing oss to new hardware?

They don't need to. I keep seeing that Apple does no less than other companies w/ regard to Linux. Well- where are their kernel contributions then? Lenovo and Dell (my two laptop manufacturers) contribute.

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rafael/linux...

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by hedora »

fallat wrote: post #135
throwaway894345 wrote: post #110

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I would like to see the volunteer pool grow, but I suspect a lot of things in the Linux kernel are maintained by a small pool of volunteers--it's not like all volunteers (or paid developers) work across the whole kernel, after all. Also, which are the virtuous hardware companies and what's stopping them from making compelling products? And since I'm already a Mac user, I've already supported this evil company, so wha…

Not sure why you're fixated on the whole Linux kernel - we're talking about a small pool of volunteers supporting complex modules. There are good laptops out there other than Macs... Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc all have offerings which are supported out of the box by Linux because they aren't using their own hardware or do contribute the necessary code to run FOSS OSs. I'm not asking you to now dump your Mac. That'd be sil…

> There are good laptops out there other than Macs... Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc all have offerings which are supported out of the box by Linux because they aren't using their own hardware or do contribute the necessary code to run FOSS OSs.

For the love of all that is holy, name one model that has the following properties:

- 6 hours real life battery doing C++ development work.

- 7+ days suspend battery life

- 99.99% success rate resuming from suspend under linux (~ 1 kernel panic per year is OK)

- Centered keyboard and trackpad

- >> 1080p screen

- bluetooth, wifi, webcam, etc, etc, all work reliably (~ 1 device "need to reboot" failure across all categories, per year)

- un-noticable fan

- less than 10% permanent hardware failure rate per year

None of the last ~ $10K worth of intel machines I've used (including high end macs, linux and windows machines) met the above criteria.

My M2 macbook actually ticks all the boxes.

However, I really, really, dislike MacOS.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by psanford »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #147
psanford wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does Apple need to contribute to this work to make it somehow legitimate or good? I own some nice hardware (an m2-air), I want to run Linux on it. Asahi allows me to do that! Why can we not celebrate that the asahi team is bringing oss to new hardware?

They don't need to. I keep seeing that Apple does no less than other companies w/ regard to Linux. Well- where are their kernel contributions then? Lenovo and Dell (my two laptop manufacturers) contribute. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rafael/linux...

> I keep seeing that Apple does no less than other companies w/ regard to Linux.

Where did I make that claim in this thread?

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by vladvasiliu »

GeekyBear wrote: post #113
vanburen wrote: post #60

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"New firmware-based battery charge control, which offers fixed a 75%/80% threshold setting. To use this, you need to update your system firmware to at least version 13.0, which you can do by simply updating your macOS partition to at least that version or newer. This new charge control method also works in sleep mode." This is interesting, am I correct in thinking this a feature implemented by Apple and now supported…

> I really hope Apple brings the same charge limiting to iPhone as well. This was added to iPhones in 2019. > If your iPhone stops charging at 80%, it's most likely due to a feature Apple introduced in iOS 13 called Optimized Battery Charging. It aims to prevent over-stressing the battery and hence extend the battery life of your iPhone by limiting the charge to 80%. Your iPhone learns your usage patterns and delays…

It's a bit different, though. I don't often need my iphone to last multiple days on end. Yet, if I keep it plugged in as often as I'm sitting at a desk, it'll never go below 80%. If I get it below 80%, sooner or later, it will figure "i want to use it" and will charge it all the way to 100%. The lowest my battery ever got on this phone was 40 something when I was away for a weekend without a charger. It's very rare I use it a lot, so the "intelligence" clearly doesn't care how long the battery needs to last.

The way it's implemented on my mom's android, it always shows 80 or 85% (can't recall which one it is), even if she leaves it plugged in for the whole weekend.

On my HP laptop, if I activate the "battery saver mode" (as opposed to "AI"), it reports the maximum capacity as somewhere around 80% of the design capacity. I don't know whether Linux cooperates with this, but probably not. HP only talks about OS compatibility for the "AI" mode, which not only requires Windows but a specific HP app.

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