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To stimulate my brain I just learn new skills and solve puzzles constantly. I am pretty happy so there is no need to escape. I admit I am -curious- to try psychedelics but in no hurry. Plenty of things to entertain me in this life.
Seriously, my current motivation to work is basically to afford a place where I can indulge in more of my hobbies and skills. I can't imagine "running out of things to do" (aside from "I am so tired after work I can't be arsed" I guess) anytime soon
Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics
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Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is, of course, you have no idea if that dose is what caused the change. That change in personal outlook may have been coming your direction anyway, or you may have experienced it sooner if you hadn't been doing LSD at all.
What you seem to be after is scientific evidence. The problem is that these substances by nature cannot be double-blind trialed because blinding is impossible. So as individuals we all need to make a decision whether we would like to try them or not for ourselves and the best evidence we can ever hope to get is subjective and anecdotal. If you want to deny yourself the potential of these life changing experiences wit…
That's a bold claim. You can try multiple different substances, the test subjects know they ingest a psychedelic, but don't know which, which allows you to have a control group.
Clinical trials would face other issues, but not this one.
Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics
#203"I'll take Microsoft Marketing for $200"
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> The problem is, of course, you have no idea if that dose is what caused the change What problem exactly? This seems like a dismissive take on someone's positive experience. Are your referring to the scientific problem of studying cause & effect of the psychedelic experience? Science is figuring that out.
No I’m talking about this one’s person’s experience. They are putting out their notion of cause and effect on a public forum and I am questioning it. That is OK, right?
Sure, "person ready to take drugs to have epiphany" might mean they were on the cusp of one anyway, but it doesn't really matter.
Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics
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> Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? Agree... I'm nearly unable to fantasize properly (dream or daydream what I want), and it's difficult to describe how it makes me feel, but I would probably use something like "fantasy withdrawal". I've gotten pretty upset in the past over it and keep wishing I could find some drug to help me experience the things that I c…
Have you tried watching and listening to harsh noise? Idk if it'd overstimulate you, but it might help you learn to break out of reality. It's also harder to do if you're stressed.
I haven't tried it though, that sounds interesting. I would probably want to use headphones for it though, as otherwise, the volume required to actually bother me would probably fill the entire apartment complex ;D
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I’d note that the technological filter only works on captured stuff. Filtering reality like this isn’t technically feasible with external devices alone. Whether that’s useful or not seems fairly subjective, though. People find utility in all sorts of things I don’t.
Of course. I'm assuming this discussion is all within the context of the original article "Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics" --- in which case understanding these specific messages actually don't require psychedelics. Not implying psychedelics have no utility, just that whatever utility they have probably doesn't lie in interpreting these "slowed down scan" animations.
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> if you have a clean bill of health, your mind is in the right place, no family history of severe mental illness, and have a trusted sober friend And if you have all that you don't need to be doing mind altering drugs anymore.
Just because I'm smart doesn't mean I stop reading. Just because I am fit doesn't mean I stop running. Just because I'm happy doesn't mean I can't dabble with new mental models.
And finally, to clarify the OP's statement: "Mind in the right place" doesn't mean being perfectly happy or without stressors/depression. To me it suggests someone doesn't have mental illness or suicidal tendencies.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seriously, my current motivation to work is basically to afford a place where I can indulge in more of my hobbies and skills. I can't imagine "running out of things to do" (aside from "I am so tired after work I can't be arsed" I guess) anytime soon
Kinda crazy to realize/appreciate how not-depressed some people are.
Plenty of stress or frustration to be had from hobbies too
I do feel lucky that the thing I don't hate and are reasonably good at allows me to get decent job and money
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This is consistent with the idea that the geometric patterns of hallucinogenic drugs are just feedback artifacts in an analog system of your senses, and by imparing its 'clock' signal chemically, you get periodic noise whose geometry is proportional to the signalling frequency and its failures. No higher dimensions, just maybe a lower, impaired, fractal dimension. There are still theraputic uses for this impairment,…
This is a very interesting way to look at this. Do you have many more resources for this "interpretation" of a psychedelic experience. I believe, the slowing down of the "clock" can be said for meditation as well in some sense. Because even in a deep meditation you lose a sense of "time" and that's when it gets slightly "psychedelic", for a lack of a better word. One thing that is different with meditation is that th…
or for a narrower slice this paper is reference [6]: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11500666_What_Geome...
The full mathematics are quite challenging, but the gist of the result (iirc) is basically: many common hallucinatory experiences, including the geometric patterns reported from both psychedelics and migraines, can be explained by the inherent connectivity patterns in the visual cortex. Consistent with this idea, there's other strains of research (sorry, too lazy to look up more citations) that show that psychedelics tend to decrease input from the primary sense organs, so that during a trip we really are literally turning inward. (if you want to look it up, iirc the effect is called "thalamic gating" or something? the senses all come up the spinal nerves into the thalamus which helps gate our attention, but during psychedelic experiences all thalamic input is turned down.)
So what happens when you turn down the dimmer on external senses, is that you "see" only from the "higher" cortical areas: suddenly the neurons that are several synapses removed from primary sense activity are the 'loudest' in our experience. This is why "set and setting" are so important in a trip, because you're going to literally experience your mood and emotional state more strongly than usual, since it won't be mediated as much by external sensory events. That's not to say there's no external senses- most people report experiencing a sort of psychedelic remix of ordinary reality. But back to the geometric patterns -- sometimes what you see really does seem to be based on the fundamental connectivity matrix. it's like in absence of strong input, the visual cortex just has activity rippling across it along its own wiring.
anyways hopefully this rambling with a few sources cited helped a little.
Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics
#210All the people in this thread who decoded it used long exposure or faster playback. Using the latter, for me, it starts to become readable at 2.5x and is essentially a clear static image at 4x. (I had to download the video and play it back using VLC.) Which for me, makes this claim a bit absurd: > At a theoretical level, this confirmation is significant because it is the first clear demonstration of a real perceptual…