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"It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

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My confusion with Tesla is this: around the rest of the world - outside of USA - there are already very fuel efficient automobiles. 60, 80, even 90 miles per gallon are common and applauded in Europe. America has the opposite approach and appears to optimise for size, comfort and perceived safety. (SUVs, Trucks, large saloons.) None of the things American consumers appear to value are correlated in the Tesla. When I…

Euro testing cycles are more generous, MPG figures are quoted in Imperial gallons (which are larger), and probably because of less dense cities they tend to be more tolerant of smog belching diesels. Diesels are fuel efficient but it's expensive to make them pollution efficient enough to pass American regulations. Many cars are the same in both countries. There isn't anything about America that makes them less effici…

Diesel cars are very clean these days. The problem is that until recently in the US the standard of diesel typically found was of a lower quality than EuroDiesel. Now it has tighter regulations, but diesel cars still carry the stigma.

Not only that, but diesel is rare in North America. You cannot guarantee that the next gas station you pass will serve diesel. That alone is enough to put people off buying them.

Ford, General Motors and all the Japanese brands offer diesel models of their fleet in Europe but they don't tend to sell them here.

Re: "It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

#182

Tesla are a sideshow and we desperately need to stop talking about them, because they're harming efforts to improve energy efficiency. Nissan are now in full production of the Leaf, a practical electric car that's half the price of the Model S. Renault have the Fluence ZE on sale in Israel and ready to go internationally this year. Mitsubishi are selling the i-MiEV in quantity in Hong Kong and Japan. All of these big…

We would not be talking about the Leaf, the Fluence or the iMiev if there was not for Tesla. Remember that some of these companies use technology from Tesla(Tesla is licensing it to major players).

Tesla is doing what it knows to do best, innovate and take risks. This is what startups are for. Once it is proven that works the big companies will follow.

Re: "It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

#184

Tesla are a sideshow and we desperately need to stop talking about them, because they're harming efforts to improve energy efficiency. Nissan are now in full production of the Leaf, a practical electric car that's half the price of the Model S. Renault have the Fluence ZE on sale in Israel and ready to go internationally this year. Mitsubishi are selling the i-MiEV in quantity in Hong Kong and Japan. All of these big…

Thank goodness this sentiment is not widely preached in silicon valley.

Re: "It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla are a sideshow and we desperately need to stop talking about them, because they're harming efforts to improve energy efficiency. Completely disagree. Tesla is, I think, unquestionably the most impactful company in the game, including GE and Nissan. For two reasons. First, before Tesla people thought of electric vehicles as ridiculous DIY golf carts driven by treehuggers. They were utterly uncool and stupid. P…

> First, before Tesla people thought of electric vehicles as ridiculous DIY golf carts driven by treehuggers. They were utterly uncool and stupid. Post-Tesla, electric cars are among the very coolest cars in the world. GE didn't do that. Nissan didn't do that. Toyota didn't do that. Tesla did. I think fundamentally changing people's perceptions of what an electric car is and what it can do is the single most impactfu…

"But moving forward, that counts for nothing."

Sure it does count when you have patents over a new technology. Real patents of physical objects that work.

"I just want the best damn electric car there can be. I'm not paying for changing the narrative."

So? People want to benefit over things they do not contribute with. People want a pill that gives them everything they want without effort and NOW!!

It does not works this way.

Re: "It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

#186

Tesla are a sideshow and we desperately need to stop talking about them, because they're harming efforts to improve energy efficiency. Nissan are now in full production of the Leaf, a practical electric car that's half the price of the Model S. Renault have the Fluence ZE on sale in Israel and ready to go internationally this year. Mitsubishi are selling the i-MiEV in quantity in Hong Kong and Japan. All of these big…

We would not be talking about the Leaf, the Fluence or the iMiev if there was not for Tesla. Remember that some of these companies use technology from Tesla(Tesla is licensing it to major players). Tesla is doing what it knows to do best, innovate and take risks. This is what startups are for. Once it is proven that works the big companies will follow.

I am not aware of a single car or even motor manufacturer for car makers who licenses Tesla technology.

Car makers have long had hybrid cars well before Tesla even existed. Some even had prototype pure electrical cars before them too. After all, Tesla was only founded in 2003!

The only technology link is back to AC Propulsion who's founder made the controller that went into the first GM pure electrical vehicle. However, Tesla stopped using AC Propulsion technology long ago (it may even have been during the year of their founding).

So, who exactly are you talking about? It is highly unlikely to be any Japanese manufacturer, for example, due to their existing leadership in hybrid technology...

Re: "It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

#187
post #100

My confusion with Tesla is this: around the rest of the world - outside of USA - there are already very fuel efficient automobiles. 60, 80, even 90 miles per gallon are common and applauded in Europe. America has the opposite approach and appears to optimise for size, comfort and perceived safety. (SUVs, Trucks, large saloons.) None of the things American consumers appear to value are correlated in the Tesla. When I…

It's a US company. And your notion of US tastes leaves a lot to be desired. And fuel efficiency is only a small component of Teslas marketing.

Re: "It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

#188
post #100

My confusion with Tesla is this: around the rest of the world - outside of USA - there are already very fuel efficient automobiles. 60, 80, even 90 miles per gallon are common and applauded in Europe. America has the opposite approach and appears to optimise for size, comfort and perceived safety. (SUVs, Trucks, large saloons.) None of the things American consumers appear to value are correlated in the Tesla. When I…

It's a US company. And your notion of US tastes leaves a lot to be desired. And fuel efficiency is only a small component of Teslas marketing.

Re: "It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

#189
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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're much more accepting of computer and software bugs than vehicle bugs. This, if true, will turn into a PR nightmare for them very fast.

It's not a bug, it's an inherent technological limitation.

No it's not. There are a variety of ways to engineer around this property of the batteries.

Re: "It's A Brick" - Tesla Motors' Devastating Design Problem

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We would not be talking about the Leaf, the Fluence or the iMiev if there was not for Tesla. Remember that some of these companies use technology from Tesla(Tesla is licensing it to major players). Tesla is doing what it knows to do best, innovate and take risks. This is what startups are for. Once it is proven that works the big companies will follow.

I am not aware of a single car or even motor manufacturer for car makers who licenses Tesla technology. Car makers have long had hybrid cars well before Tesla even existed. Some even had prototype pure electrical cars before them too. After all, Tesla was only founded in 2003! The only technology link is back to AC Propulsion who's founder made the controller that went into the first GM pure electrical vehicle. Howev…

From what I understand, Toyota is using Tesla's motor and battery technology in the new electric RAV4: http://wot.motortrend.com/toyota-tesla-come-together-compani...
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