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Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#92
The first post I read was full of hate speech. Instant turn off.

It’s not the technology that is hard to replace, it’s the community and it's the moderators. Reddit took what, 10+ years to sort of clean up?

You want a discussion site, but you don’t want the top posts to be from horrible alt-right incels… it’s a hard problem to solve.

Also, the load time on that site was abysmal.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#93
This might be a rather obvious and stupid suggestion, but why don't all the 3rd party apps just get together, agree on a "new reddit" and move to that. If their users are more loyal to the app than to reddit, problem solved.

It just can't be that hard to hack together a nested newsgroup-like system in this day and age.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#94

Already vandalized through shitty trollish posts. Sadly, in this Internet and era you can't build a healthy community without some form of moderation.

When was it ever true that public discussion didn't require moderation? We live alongside a pile of mush brained, mouth breathing dullards whose single and only goal in life is for somebody to vote up their latest brain fart and be told what to think.

Largely we excluded these people from conversation with social cues and sold them back their prejudices via red-top newspapers, which mostly kept their brain farts and prejudices suppressed.

For better or worse, you can't do that with the internet. Facebook and twitter seem hell bent on not only encouraging their appalling behaviour but amplifying it.

The only way to stay away from them is to stay ahead of them and stay away from any medium these idiots think is "their place".

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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Every time I see social media recreated in a decentralised fashion I realise why the successful ones are centralised. The loading times of this are dreadful and I don't see how you'll be able to solve that problem when you're relying on P2P. In any case, it sounds like we'll be getting many new Reddit clones so I may as well plug what I've built recently: a Reddit alternative API that is free. Check it out if you're…

> The loading times of this are dreadful and I don't see how you'll be able to solve that problem when you're relying on P2P. It's easy enough to centralize a caching layer, perhaps through a popular CDN.

Why not a bittorrent style peering mechanism? Popular content will always have pools of people who are consuming it.

I've had an idea in the back of my head for what would make a decentralized video service work, and it plays with the idea of peer driven networks.

So, there a few kinds of people on the network: advertisers (hang in there, I'll explain why), leechers (or consumer), content producers, and seeders.

The prime relationship is between a consumer and a content producer. Every other part of the network is designed to support and benefit their interaction.

First, a content producer creates a piece of content (or steals it, let's be realistic) and publishes it on the network. Attached to the content is a pay-per-view requirement; the producer has elected to require payment to view this content. This money can come from one of two places: first, an advertiser can bid on slots the producer has chosen, second, the consumer can pay the producer directly. The producer doesn't have a choice whether the consumer pays or not, only that payment is required.

Requiring payment for the content is optional, but advisable. You see, the producer has a second order relationship with the seeders. The producer can't possibly feed a million viewers in the first hour. That would be a very difficult task. But what a producer can do is elect to provide a percentage of their required income to seeders. Now there's a financial benefit to seeding a popular video/song. The producer can set their payments to whatever they want. The market may equalize itself.

Finally, we have advertisers, which are the monetary fuel for the fire. Most viewers will tolerate ads and wont want to pay money; so instead they pay time. An advertiser can bid on slots in as precise or general way as they want. If they want to bid on a specific creator's video slots, they can. If they want to bid on a broad category of creators or videos, they can. Etc.

This won't ever be truly decentralized, and there is a whole ecosystem of services external to the network that would be needed for this to function well (payment processors, content collation and moderation -- kind of like how mastodon works, a bidding marketplace for advertisers to interface with the content network, a front end for seeders to select and re-seed, and so on).

I don't have the technical hutzpah to build out something like this. I wish I did. Is there someone out there who wants to be a technical mentor? I'd be game.

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[edit] There should be more and less granularity in how different parties engage. Some people want to pay 10 bucks a month (Amazon Prime) and forget about the rest. Some people want to pay per view. Advertisers might want to target specific creator's channels or whole segments of created content. Creators might want to be able to never even think about ads and just check a box that says "put an ad in front of every video I upload" and then forget it. Or a creator might want to put ads in videos longer than a certain length. And so on. What I've specified above is loosely conceived and would need a lot of thought to turn it into something useful.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#96

This might be a rather obvious and stupid suggestion, but why don't all the 3rd party apps just get together, agree on a "new reddit" and move to that. If their users are more loyal to the app than to reddit, problem solved. It just can't be that hard to hack together a nested newsgroup-like system in this day and age.

Spinning up the backends that are strong enough to support the load that the 3rd party apps put on it isn't a trivial undertaking.

Note also that many of the apps were designed to not have advertising or monthly subscription costs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca...

> Apollo made 7 billion requests last month

What does it cost to stand up that server? Establish the core group needed to moderate the site to not have it turn into eternal spam or content that they'd rather not serve site? Pay the lawyers needed to make sure they've got NSFW and copyright take down requests handled?

It's not impossible... but the "bunch of people start up a new site" misses a lot of the technical and social aspects of barn raising ( http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/BarnRaising ).

The advantage of reddit for the backend is:

> BarnRaising is part of the difference between SlashDot and wiki. With SlashDot the barn is already raised - the OpeningStatement already written - before you start, and everyone just sits around bitchin' about it.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#97

Already vandalized through shitty trollish posts. Sadly, in this Internet and era you can't build a healthy community without some form of moderation.

4chan is a healthy community. No karma, no "flagged" posts and none of the bullshit you see here. HN is objetively inferior in every measurable way, and I've been using both for >10 years.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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It's weird to use the name "plebbit" considering that's the derogatory term for Reddit used by 4chan folk. It's like begging for this to be a dumping ground for some of the worst human behaviors. Does the decentralized nature mean that illegal content can't be easily be removed?

> It's weird to use the name "plebbit" considering that's the derogatory term for Reddit used by 4chan folk. It's like begging for this to be a dumping ground for some of the worst human behaviors. i think thats the obvious intention. Just scroll down the page to see what the user base is.

And that makes it nothing more of a joke website to me even if it's impressive under the hood

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#99

Already vandalized through shitty trollish posts. Sadly, in this Internet and era you can't build a healthy community without some form of moderation.

When was it ever true that public discussion didn't require moderation? We live alongside a pile of mush brained, mouth breathing dullards whose single and only goal in life is for somebody to vote up their latest brain fart and be told what to think. Largely we excluded these people from conversation with social cues and sold them back their prejudices via red-top newspapers, which mostly kept their brain farts and…

Unfortunately, those people vote.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whats the anti-spam plan? User moderation in focused spaces! Its the same reason Discord/Telegram kind of works, the same reason small niche subreddits (and Hacker News) are still OK, the same reason dedicated game servers are so much nicer than public matchmaking in video games... They have a hierarchy of users who are motivated and empowered to police their own reasonably sized niche space. Twitter can't do this,…

> User moderation in focused spaces! Remember the bots can make their own spaces too... And then lure real users in with a bunch of chatgpt-like and/or stolen content...

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