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Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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I wonder if this would be useful as a dataset for economics research. Lots you could conceivably pull from the ads: fine grained pricing, company formation and destruction, trends in standards for components, performance specs of components over time. All at the time of the Cambrian explosion of computing

Also wow this is a gargantuan effort. I scanned thee equivalent of like one issue of Computer Shopper one time and it was painful. Kudos to the author.

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I buy Computer Shopper for the articles - said no one ever.

Since it's been so long, I can't remember, but were there even articles - or was it just 999 pages of classified ads sold to the highest bidder?

They had to have articles to qualify as a real magazine, probably for reduced mailing rates.

Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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post #11

I wonder if this would be useful as a dataset for economics research. Lots you could conceivably pull from the ads: fine grained pricing, company formation and destruction, trends in standards for components, performance specs of components over time. All at the time of the Cambrian explosion of computing Also wow this is a gargantuan effort. I scanned thee equivalent of like one issue of Computer Shopper one time an…

For any moderately large scale book scanning effort: https://hackaday.com/2012/11/16/google-books-team-open-sourc...

Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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This... is fugging amazing.

No, seriously. It really is. Those of you who are too young to remember the heyday of Computer Shopper won't get it (probably) but that magazine was ... well, as the article says, practically a "bible" to some of us. There was NOTHING like finding the new issue on the news-stand, buying it, and rushing home to pore over the ads, looking for a sweet new motherboard, some RAM, maybe a Sound Blaster card, etc. for that sweet new PC you were planning to build. And the BBS listings... A new BBS appearing in there, IN YOUR LOCAL CALLING AREA was a huge deal.

I know the younger folks probably don't get the idea of "long distance" or probably even the idea of phone usage being metered and billed per unit, but back in the day calling a BBS that was long-distance was a good way to rack up a huge phone bill, and righteously piss off your parents (if you lived at home). Of course some people would pack a laptop (yes, they existed in the 1990's) in a car, drive out to a convenience store in the middle of nowhere at 2:00 in the morning, and "beige box" off a COCOT (customer owned coin operated telephone) to make those calls. I might have been guilty of doing something like that...

Anyway, Computer Shopper was a big deal to a lot of people for a long time, and I'm personally thrilled to see these issues being preserved so some of that legacy can live on. Browsing the old issues online will never give one quite the same experience, but it's good that they'll be around.

Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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> debinding

When I was in school, there was a binding shop nearby which had a huge machine that looked pretty much like a guillotine, only shallower, that just sliced through thick books like butter. They stuck the book in a vice grip, turned a wheel which brought that beautiful sharp heavy blade down on the hopeless book stuck in the grip below and the paper shavings just blossomed out of the other side as the blade did its job.

One of the favorite things for us to do was to bring an old book to the shop and ask then to shave off few millimeters on each side (except the spine of course) - the frayed/yellow bits were gone and your book was new and born again :) This also was a great strategy if you wanted to reduce the dimensions of your book. Obviously only works with paperbacks and can't be repeated more than 3-4 times. I loved it then.

> In this case, I have to use a heat gun, aiming them at the glued issues of Computer Shopper, warming them up until the glue starts to become slightly liquid and then carefully pulling the pages apart from each other, placing them on a large table I’m working on. If the glue comes too close to the pages after I pull them apart, it actually sticks them back again. It’s a huge mess, and with hundreds of pages in a typical issue, hours of work.

I wonder if instead of using heat-gun to de-glue (?), it would be easier to just shave off an ever thin slice of that spine?

(sorry if that was too gruesome for you).

Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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> debinding When I was in school, there was a binding shop nearby which had a huge machine that looked pretty much like a guillotine, only shallower, that just sliced through thick books like butter. They stuck the book in a vice grip, turned a wheel which brought that beautiful sharp heavy blade down on the hopeless book stuck in the grip below and the paper shavings just blossomed out of the other side as the blade…

Something like this? https://www.whitakerbrothers.com/products/martin-yale-7000e

Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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> debinding When I was in school, there was a binding shop nearby which had a huge machine that looked pretty much like a guillotine, only shallower, that just sliced through thick books like butter. They stuck the book in a vice grip, turned a wheel which brought that beautiful sharp heavy blade down on the hopeless book stuck in the grip below and the paper shavings just blossomed out of the other side as the blade…

Using heat is common in a similar hobby(?), translating (older) Japanese manga. You would use a hair dryer or clothesiron to melt the glue in the spine, pull apart the pages/clean off the glue, and scan them in. That way you don't shave off 2-page spreads. (After scanning, you'd have to clean up the image a lot still, but oh well.) I can imagine here you also just don't want to damage the pages, even if the damage seems infinitesimal.

It doesn't happen so much anymore for manga since things are mostly digital. Though some publishers still publish at 1200x800 (looking at you, Hakusensha!) or worse (I think one site uses like, 900x600?). Mostly these days this would only happen for self-published works (which are still distributed in limited quantities and in physical format only, oftentimes). Or apparently publishers occasionally just...lose the digital files. (Though I can't find where I read this anymore.)

Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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This... is fugging amazing. No, seriously. It really is. Those of you who are too young to remember the heyday of Computer Shopper won't get it (probably) but that magazine was ... well, as the article says, practically a "bible" to some of us. There was NOTHING like finding the new issue on the news-stand, buying it, and rushing home to pore over the ads, looking for a sweet new motherboard, some RAM, maybe a Sound…

I think what a lot of younger people also don’t realize is how gigantic a single issue of computer shopper was. They were as thick as phone books with thin weight pages. I remember multiple issues being well into the thousands of pages.

Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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This... is fugging amazing. No, seriously. It really is. Those of you who are too young to remember the heyday of Computer Shopper won't get it (probably) but that magazine was ... well, as the article says, practically a "bible" to some of us. There was NOTHING like finding the new issue on the news-stand, buying it, and rushing home to pore over the ads, looking for a sweet new motherboard, some RAM, maybe a Sound…

>>” Of course some people would pack a laptop (yes, they existed in the 1990's) in a car, drive out to a convenience store in the middle of nowhere at 2:00 in the morning, and "beige box" off a COCOT (customer owned coin operated telephone) to make those calls. I might have been guilty of doing something like that...”

Ohhh man! I was just a few years too late for that but I remember reading and hearing about it. It was a dream of mine! Used to roam my neighborhood trying to beige box into junction boxes for the bell of it.

Re: Preparing for the Incoming Computer Shopper Tsunami

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> debinding When I was in school, there was a binding shop nearby which had a huge machine that looked pretty much like a guillotine, only shallower, that just sliced through thick books like butter. They stuck the book in a vice grip, turned a wheel which brought that beautiful sharp heavy blade down on the hopeless book stuck in the grip below and the paper shavings just blossomed out of the other side as the blade…

Something like this? https://www.whitakerbrothers.com/products/martin-yale-7000e

Similar but 4-5 times as bigger - it could have chopped my 12 year old body in half. A beast of a machine.

(I don't know what has come over me - my mind is only producing grisly descriptions)

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