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Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#81
The site is definitely slow, but not so much that it is intolerable (at least in my experience).

It's a interesting idea but I think 4chan, as the internet watering hole, has the core audience captured already and has done so for the last 15ish years. I am curious as to what the marginal value is here.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#82

While impressive, I don't think IPFS can scale to any kind of real load that even a fifth of the users of reddit using this could handle. Its a super heavy daemon and if its just gateway users there is still a little bit of centralization going on. Like who runs "pubsubprovider.xyz" that most of the data is being relayed with? same with "plebpubsub.live"

you can see the list of providers in the settings page, and you can add your own providers to the list (for example your local IPFS node) https://plebbit-test.netlify.app/#/settings/plebbit-options

the idea is that if there's 100 providers eventually, and only 1 needs to not censor you to get your content, then it's unlikely you will be censored

we plan on adding IPFS webrtc and webtransport at some point, to reduce the need and load on the ipfs gateways, and whatever new that comes out that can help the browser/mobile clients. For example https://iroh.computer/ seems promising

the desktop client is fully P2P, it bundles an IPFS node, and the only requests it makes are through the IPFS node. (technically it makes one request to github for default communities, but we will remove that at some point). Also if your community or username uses a human readable name (optional), then you need to resolve that name somehow, we can technically support any name system anyone makes, and that might or might not be P2P.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#83
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What on earth.. is this captcha some kind of joke? https://ibb.co/3yW9mjj I'm a human but it's not clear what the "challenge" even is that needs to be completed. And after you get it wrong, it doesn't kick you out, it just flashes a toast message like "User failed captcha". Twilight zone material.

Agreed, this is a terrible captcha because O and 0 look nearly identical but it fails you if you mix up these two.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#85

I don't know why but this somehow taxes my CPU more than the official Reddit site, which is kind of impressive in a way. The theme itself is a good Reddit replica, but I don't think IPFS has the necessary performance to run apps like these. Maybe it can live become a Lemmy frontend for the FOSS/fediverse crowd?

The number of third party domains this site needs to hit to even load any posts on the front page is insane. I'm looking at a list of domains like "etherscan", ipfs gateways, pokt... all kinds of shady sounding bullshit and it isn't at all clear to me what I would need to whitelist to get this site to work: http://0x0.st/Hbkj.jpg Yes I know this is "my fault" for being a weirdo who doesn't blindly let his browser hit…

I use noscript and while normally I’d agree with you about the number of reqs to 3rd party domains being an inverse indicator of quality, I think in this case it just means the client application is marshalling its own connections to broader p2p system without a fancy experience api layer.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#86
I don't think technology is the problem here. Rather, it is the evergreen gullibility of humans, showing their willingness to trust their communities and memories and volunteerism to corporations which then seize control of everything.

We had a P2P and open source Reddit alternative 40 years ago, called Usenet. But people fell for a centralized one run by a company once it came along, like they always do. May Reddit's fate end up looking something like Digg's and AOL's.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#87
post #62

Every time I see social media recreated in a decentralised fashion I realise why the successful ones are centralised. The loading times of this are dreadful and I don't see how you'll be able to solve that problem when you're relying on P2P. In any case, it sounds like we'll be getting many new Reddit clones so I may as well plug what I've built recently: a Reddit alternative API that is free. Check it out if you're…

Seems like scraping and providing an alternative API would violate TOS and will receive a takedown notice in due time.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#88
post #62

Every time I see social media recreated in a decentralised fashion I realise why the successful ones are centralised. The loading times of this are dreadful and I don't see how you'll be able to solve that problem when you're relying on P2P. In any case, it sounds like we'll be getting many new Reddit clones so I may as well plug what I've built recently: a Reddit alternative API that is free. Check it out if you're…

I don't really find Mastodon that slow.

I do think it's got a lot, lot of sharp edges that need smoothing out before it's really viable. But speed isn't a problem, and it's decentralised.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#89

I don't think technology is the problem here. Rather, it is the evergreen gullibility of humans, showing their willingness to trust their communities and memories and volunteerism to corporations which then seize control of everything. We had a P2P and open source Reddit alternative 40 years ago, called Usenet. But people fell for a centralized one run by a company once it came along, like they always do. May Reddit'…

I agree with your main point: tech isn't the problem here.

But a minor quibble: USENET wasn't exactly peer-to-peer. I mostly got to USENET through my university or ISP's NNTP servers. If I wanted to start a new group and get you involved, I would've had to set up my own NNTP server for you to connect to, using either your NNTP client or your own NNTP server.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

#90

I don't think technology is the problem here. Rather, it is the evergreen gullibility of humans, showing their willingness to trust their communities and memories and volunteerism to corporations which then seize control of everything. We had a P2P and open source Reddit alternative 40 years ago, called Usenet. But people fell for a centralized one run by a company once it came along, like they always do. May Reddit'…

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