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Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by hollerith »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #81

>Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations and is focused on its Apple 2030 goal to make every product carbon neutral. This means every Mac Apple creates, from design to manufacturing to customer use, will have net-zero climate impact. I love my bullshit green washing of hunks of metal produced by the millions too. Buying carbon credits from I-Promise-I-Will-Plant-Trees Inc. is still lying, Apple…

>This means every Mac Apple creates, from design to manufacturing to customer use, will have net-zero climate impact.

My guess is that the largest contributor to carbon emissions comes from Apple's employees living their lives: Apple pays the employee a salary, then the employee uses that salary in a way that result in heavy carbon emissions unless that employee is one of the very few who seriously rearrange their lives to intentionally pessimize their climate impact.

I doubt Apple is counting that.

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by xwowsersx »

Would the Mac Pro help me at all for my computing needs? I write code all day and have several IDEs and DataGrip running, use Docker, etc. I currently use an MBP with the Apple Chip. Would a beefier machine actually do anything for me, in the form of faster compilation or anything...or nah?

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by teddyh »

llm_nerd wrote: post #51
davidkuennen wrote: post #48

As a developer I'd be terrified if Apple was showing my app in one of these events.

It's all pre-recorded now, so what would the worry be?

If Apple likes your macOS app, that’s the first step to being sherlocked.

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by imdsm »

__loam wrote: post #65
f6v wrote: post #19

Incoming: “Not going to upgrade, I’m fine with my 1996 toaster, thank you!” It’d be actually interesting to read from people who buy a top config and how they use it.

I'm using an M1 pro macbook for work and it's fast as fuck. Seriously considering getting a studio or a macbook pro for some home game programming and asset creation work.

I have an M1 Air and an iMac Pro (3.2 GHz 8-Core Intel Xeon W) and quite often I feel as though the M1 is faster. Seems to be jumping ahead remarkably!

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by jyu »

mk_stjames wrote: post #69

192GB of memory on the Mac Studio is enough to run Llama 65B in full FP16. And at 800GB/s bandwidth, it will do so pretty quickly. I think my M1 Pro memory bandwidth is 200GB/s and I was running quantized 13B Alpaca relatively quickly, I'd say useable for a personal chatbot, and I think it was swapping every now and then causing pauses. So having 4x the memory bandwidth should allow large models to run pretty damn fa…

What do you think the odds are we can get H100s or equivalent in Mac Studio?

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by threeseed »

hollerith wrote: post #121
ohgodplsno wrote: post #81

>Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations and is focused on its Apple 2030 goal to make every product carbon neutral. This means every Mac Apple creates, from design to manufacturing to customer use, will have net-zero climate impact. I love my bullshit green washing of hunks of metal produced by the millions too. Buying carbon credits from I-Promise-I-Will-Plant-Trees Inc. is still lying, Apple…

>This means every Mac Apple creates, from design to manufacturing to customer use, will have net-zero climate impact. My guess is that the largest contributor to carbon emissions comes from Apple's employees living their lives: Apple pays the employee a salary, then the employee uses that salary in a way that result in heavy carbon emissions unless that employee is one of the very few who seriously rearrange their li…

> I doubt Apple is counting that.

Actually Apple hires private investigators to spy on the activities of their employees in order to determine how much carbon to offset.

Common knowledge.

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by SquareWheel »

float4 wrote: post #64
DonaldPShimoda wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure they reach out to the developers in advance if it's actually used directly (and not just in the background, like on the Dock or something). But I'll bet it's a real opportunity to gain new users, so it's probably more exciting than terrifying!

Developer of Apollo was completely surprised that they mentioned his app today[0] [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/141kfmi/wwdc_2023_ev...

He also says he was invited to the event, so he's likely saying that he had his mind blown by being offered the opportunity beforehand.

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by imdsm »

modeless wrote: post #87
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would consider that for many people in your position, the desire for a discrete GPU is a proxy for the real desire, which could be one of several things: - Performance, which apple's GPUs may compete sufficiently with - Upgradeability, which apple's GPUs may not compete sufficiently with If all you care about is the performance, does it really matter if that perf is achieved via a discrete or integrated GPU?

Apple's GPU does not compete sufficiently with the discrete GPUs one would put in a $7000 PC.

Out of curiosity, what is your benchmark here? I have a $2000 RTX card that is great for games, but pretty poor for LLMs. For LLM development, I'd be much happier with a Studio and an M2 Ultra. How much would it cost me to get 192 GB in discreet cards I wonder?

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Post by kimixa »

adastra22 wrote: post #98
ghaff wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're technically right that AI is a superset. But, at least in a computational context, "AI" is hardly ever being used to refer to cognitive science and other AI subsets that are not directly related to ML. So ML is usually the more precise terminology. But I've pretty much given up on that one.

Large language models are definitely AI.

Expert systems used to be considered "AI". Certainly some optimization algorithms like genetic algorithms were "AI". Pretty much any system that makes a decision was considered "AI" at some point.

The problem is the general use of the term changes in a way to often make the meaning unclear to the point of being near useless. Outside of marketing, of course.

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