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Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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>Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations and is focused on its Apple 2030 goal to make every product carbon neutral. This means every Mac Apple creates, from design to manufacturing to customer use, will have net-zero climate impact.

I love my bullshit green washing of hunks of metal produced by the millions too. Buying carbon credits from I-Promise-I-Will-Plant-Trees Inc. is still lying, Apple.

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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I'm pretty sure they reach out to the developers in advance if it's actually used directly (and not just in the background, like on the Dock or something). But I'll bet it's a real opportunity to gain new users, so it's probably more exciting than terrifying!

Developer of Apollo was completely surprised that they mentioned his app today[0] [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/141kfmi/wwdc_2023_ev...

Oh wow, I didn't realize! Well never mind then, my mistake. Thanks for the correction — and with a citation, even!

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Incoming: “Not going to upgrade, I’m fine with my 1996 toaster, thank you!” It’d be actually interesting to read from people who buy a top config and how they use it.

I do not understand why people make those comments. All we know about their systems is that they can load this website. You can be perfectly happy as a dev running vim on an ancient netbook…

Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro

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post #79

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Are you off by one order of magnitude? Or does this cost as much as a couple quite nice cars.

I was looking at a six figure workstation last week, including GPUs. The goal is to replace 2-3 loud servers in my home lab with something more compact and quiet.

What do you do with your "home lab" that can't run on a consumer-level desktop? I'm genuinely curious.

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I’d been wondering how they were going to handle expandable memory with the M chip, since the integrated memory seemed pretty central to the design - seems like the answer is, “they’re not.” Be interested to see if PCI expansion is sufficient to satisfy the Max Pro market.

The integrated memory design doesn't prevent doing it over a dimm slot. It seems more they just didn't want to deal with a ddr5 or some bespoke connector.

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I’ve been draggggggiiinnngggg my feet on a new desktop workstation. Waiting for the store to come back to truly make a decision but I think that I’m gonna go for a Studio. The hacker in me wants to build a beefy Linux workstation but the pragmatist in me wants a machine that just works. I think the Apple tax is worth it here.

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I wouldn't buy a $7000 computer without a discrete GPU.

I would consider that for many people in your position, the desire for a discrete GPU is a proxy for the real desire, which could be one of several things: - Performance, which apple's GPUs may compete sufficiently with - Upgradeability, which apple's GPUs may not compete sufficiently with If all you care about is the performance, does it really matter if that perf is achieved via a discrete or integrated GPU?

Apple's GPU does not compete sufficiently with the discrete GPUs one would put in a $7000 PC.

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post #5

I’d been wondering how they were going to handle expandable memory with the M chip, since the integrated memory seemed pretty central to the design - seems like the answer is, “they’re not.” Be interested to see if PCI expansion is sufficient to satisfy the Max Pro market.

192GB ram does seem like enough for a large fraction of the potential market, especially @ 800GB/sec which makes it much more usable than similar amounts of ram on Intel/AMD desktops at 1/8th the bandwidth.

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post #44

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Apple showed a lineup of compatible PCIe cards, with a variety of accelerators and I/O hardware but conspicuously no GPUs. https://i.imgur.com/28J1KfN.jpg The Apple Silicon transition ended support for external GPUs, so I think it's safe to assume they won't support internal ones either.

Man I'm so out of what's going on with desktop computing lol, feeling old Could somebody explain what these are?

Expansion cards, they were supported by the original PC from the 80s and even before that.
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