As a developer I'd be terrified if Apple was showing my app in one of these events.
It's all pre-recorded now, so what would the worry be?
Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro
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#52The best thing about this whole event is that they didn't mention AI even once, all they're saying is ML. Which is what it is. AI is a hype word.
ML is subset of AI. AI that is inclusive of other concepts and it's not a buzzword. It's valid to call anything ML as AI. Sure there is a lot of AI hype but it's not some made up marketing jargon.
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#53I’d been wondering how they were going to handle expandable memory with the M chip, since the integrated memory seemed pretty central to the design - seems like the answer is, “they’re not.” Be interested to see if PCI expansion is sufficient to satisfy the Max Pro market.
Everything seems slightly parallel-universe in Apple world, looking at it from over here in x86/linux land.
I can see why they’d decide to go in-package with their memory, it is really very fast. And 192GB of memory is not a huge amount of memory in server/HPC land, but it is still a decent chunk of space. You could load up a Mac Pro with a bunch of PCIe nvme drives or something, I wonder if it would really be that hard to adapt to that.
I certainly wouldn’t turn down the chance to try, haha.
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#54As a developer I'd be terrified if Apple was showing my app in one of these events.
I'm pretty sure they reach out to the developers in advance if it's actually used directly (and not just in the background, like on the Dock or something). But I'll bet it's a real opportunity to gain new users, so it's probably more exciting than terrifying!
Re: Apple unveils new Mac Studio and brings Apple Silicon to Mac Pro
#55The best thing about this whole event is that they didn't mention AI even once, all they're saying is ML. Which is what it is. AI is a hype word.
If it's written in Python, it's probably ML
If it's written in PowerPoint, it's probably AI
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#56What the hell is that cheese grater looking thing? I can't make out what that is.
That’s the Mac Pro design introduced with the last Intel model. It’s a similar design to the original Mac Pro (before the “trash can” tube thing), which was very close to the design of the PowerMac G5.
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#57Kinda unimpressive since it seems that it's just mac studio with pci-e expansion
More so given the drivers issue.. I expect OWC and a few companies like AVID will develop proper tools for their hardware but all in it's not going to be nearly as approachable. Also the limit of 192gb on Unified Memory might still be an issue too. We'll see what happens with release, but as someone with two Intel Mac Pros in use, not quite sure I see a reason to switch still (though my laptop is the M1 Air released…
Since they've now completed the transition to Apple Silicon, I wonder if that starts the timer on deprecating MacOS Intel compatibility. Though plenty media industry users especially stay on older OSes for stability.
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#58As a developer I'd be terrified if Apple was showing my app in one of these events.
I'm pretty sure they reach out to the developers in advance if it's actually used directly (and not just in the background, like on the Dock or something). But I'll bet it's a real opportunity to gain new users, so it's probably more exciting than terrifying!
I'm thinking more in the lines of getting this kind of attention it a strong indicator to get sherlocked [1] by Apple in the future. For example the hydration app.
[1] https://www.howtogeek.com/297651/what-does-it-mean-when-a-co...
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anything you install is a brick unless hardware vendors port their drivers.
Isn’t that true of any PCIe device? Is Apple supposed to develop their drivers too?
Apple is supposed to maintain good relationships with hardware vendors and support them in porting their drivers. Apple has done a poor job of this. They are practically enemies with Nvidia due to legal disputes and as a result I don't expect to see an Nvidia driver for Apple Silicon in the foreseeable future. Maybe AMD or Intel will write one but at least one should have happened before launch.
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#60I wouldn't buy a $7000 computer without a discrete GPU.
I would consider that for many people in your position, the desire for a discrete GPU is a proxy for the real desire, which could be one of several things:
- Performance, which apple's GPUs may compete sufficiently with
- Upgradeability, which apple's GPUs may not compete sufficiently with
If all you care about is the performance, does it really matter if that perf is achieved via a discrete or integrated GPU?