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Re: The War on Dogs

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Post by theshrike79 »

29athrowaway wrote: post #24
deadalus wrote: post #10

In the 15-year period of 2005 through 2019, canines killed 521 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (346) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths [1] [1] https://www.dogsbite.org/

The pit bull is bred so that it keeps biting no matter what. Their bite force is about 235 psi and some can pull over 3000 lbs. It's the most abandoned breed and the one with most safety incidents. So: - keeping a pit bull on leash doesn't make a difference - once it's aggravated you cannot control it anymore - nobody actually needs a pit bull - it can disfigure or kill a person or animal at any moment: you, your fam…

And literally the only ways to get a pitbull off a person are to a) kill it b) choke it unconscious.

No other internet trick works on them, they've specifically been bred to bite and bite hard.

Re: The War on Dogs

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Post by [deleted] »

29athrowaway wrote: post #24
deadalus wrote: post #10

In the 15-year period of 2005 through 2019, canines killed 521 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (346) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths [1] [1] https://www.dogsbite.org/

The pit bull is bred so that it keeps biting no matter what. Their bite force is about 235 psi and some can pull over 3000 lbs. It's the most abandoned breed and the one with most safety incidents. So: - keeping a pit bull on leash doesn't make a difference - once it's aggravated you cannot control it anymore - nobody actually needs a pit bull - it can disfigure or kill a person or animal at any moment: you, your fam…

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Re: The War on Dogs

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Post by [deleted] »

theshrike79 wrote: post #31
29athrowaway wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pit bull is bred so that it keeps biting no matter what. Their bite force is about 235 psi and some can pull over 3000 lbs. It's the most abandoned breed and the one with most safety incidents. So: - keeping a pit bull on leash doesn't make a difference - once it's aggravated you cannot control it anymore - nobody actually needs a pit bull - it can disfigure or kill a person or animal at any moment: you, your fam…

And literally the only ways to get a pitbull off a person are to a) kill it b) choke it unconscious. No other internet trick works on them, they've specifically been bred to bite and bite hard.

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Re: The War on Dogs

#34

Post by red-iron-pine »

latchkey wrote: post #28
29athrowaway wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, if your dog needs walking you are a bad dog owner. Under this definition most dog ownership is bad. It means it lives in a confined space not meant for a dog. Dogs are for farms not cities.

You're thinking of a larger dog. This is a small dog (Bichon Frisé), with the temperament of a cat. Probably wouldn't survive long in the wild.

Plenty of larger dogs are couch potatoes. Take your Newfie or Great Dane for a couple km and they're happy to snooze for the rest of the day.

Plus dog walks aren't just for the benefit of the dog.

Re: The War on Dogs

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Post by johnea »

I'm all for the cull.

Absentee/incompetent owners are overwhelming the ability to control the noise, agression and dog shit everywhere that's resulted from treating a living entity like a video game console.

It's not the dog's resoponsibility to sooth neurotic primates.

The reason they "love you so much" is because they were stolen from their actual mother, and handed to a primate before they were old enough to remmeber their actual parent.

The entire phenomenon of pet ownership is basically infant kidnapping...

Re: The War on Dogs

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Post by johnea »

rkagerer wrote: post #17

We adopted a stray that at one point was in a Texas shelter Fast forward a little bit. He's incredible. Outgoing, super intelligent, loyal, goofy, amazing with kids. Does still sometimes bark at strangers if startled, but never bites (even when other dogs have drawn blood). He's an integral part of the family, and just about the best thing that ever happened to me. Healthy now, and seems to be aware he's got it prett…

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I'm all for the cull.

Absentee/incompetent owners are overwhelming the ability to control the noise, agression and dog shit everywhere that's resulted from treating a living entity like a video game console.

It's not the dog's resoponsibility to sooth neurotic primates.

The reason they "love you so much" is because they were stolen from their actual mother, and handed to a primate before they were old enough to remmeber their actual parent.

The entire phenomenon of pet ownership is basically infant kidnapping...

Re: The War on Dogs

#37

Post by 29athrowaway »

latchkey wrote: post #28
29athrowaway wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, if your dog needs walking you are a bad dog owner. Under this definition most dog ownership is bad. It means it lives in a confined space not meant for a dog. Dogs are for farms not cities.

You're thinking of a larger dog. This is a small dog (Bichon Frisé), with the temperament of a cat. Probably wouldn't survive long in the wild.

It still does not belong in a human habitat no matter how much you want to make it a thing.

A dog has to be among their own species and have a dog life. Cover large areas, sniff around, spread their scent, interact with other dogs, etc.

In a human house, living in isolation among humans that have unreasonable expectations, a dog life simply sucks.

Re: The War on Dogs

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Post by 29athrowaway »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #34
latchkey wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're thinking of a larger dog. This is a small dog (Bichon Frisé), with the temperament of a cat. Probably wouldn't survive long in the wild.

Plenty of larger dogs are couch potatoes. Take your Newfie or Great Dane for a couple km and they're happy to snooze for the rest of the day. Plus dog walks aren't just for the benefit of the dog.

Open your front door and let's see if they prefer the sofa.

A dog that loves your house is like the old guy in Shawshank Redemption that only has a life within the jail.

If the dog was intelligent, would it still protect you from intruders? And if it didn't, would you still keep it around?

If the dog was intelligent and it was truly part of your family, would you pay for its college tuition? Or do things you would do with an adopted member of your family like inheriting your house? Or it would be more like a slave that is only there to defend you?

So, in the end, it is all just abuse. You kidnap an animal, then restrain it, neuter it so it cannot be aggressive, discipline it to adapt to an unreasonable and unnatural standard of cleanliness and behavior, etc.

Your dog likes you because you took away its family and essentially marginalized it so that it is forced to bond only with you. And also because of artificial selection for those traits. If it was aware that it was kidnapped and forcibly sterilized it would never like you. You are just abusing a lesser form of intelligence.

Re: The War on Dogs

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Post by nradov »

deadalus wrote: post #10

In the 15-year period of 2005 through 2019, canines killed 521 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (346) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths [1] [1] https://www.dogsbite.org/

When I looked for a dog several years ago the local animal shelters were mostly filled with pit bulls. Very few other breeds (except maybe chihuahuas). I certainly wouldn't want one in my home, especially not knowing its background. Most of them are probably fine but you never know. Not worth the risk.

Re: The War on Dogs

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Post by summm »

latchkey wrote: post #4

For me, the modern war on dogs is that I can only walk my dog in my neighborhood (I live near the beach), before 7am and after 6pm. I get it, there are plenty of bad dog owners. It is still just a bummer that a few bad seeds ruin the fun for everyone else.

Where is that wonderland you live in? Around here there is only regulation that dogs cannot go unleashed on specially labelled public parks, such that they do not leave the paths. Many of those parks have playgrounds, public orchards and so on. But, as nobody enforces that, basically each time I take a walk there is at least one dog owner literally shitting (or, having their dog do so...) on that regulation. Same at supposedly dog-free lakes meant for human swimming. To me it looks like there are not a few bad seeds, but the majority of seeds are bad.
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