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Three companies agree to pay $1B to settle 'forever chemical' claims

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Re: Three companies agree to pay $1B to settle 'forever chemical' claims

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Pocket change. This is not accountability for infecting the worlds population with these nasty chemicals.

PFAS technology was top secret WW2 research output. Then the military discovered that they had amazing properties to fight extremely dangerous fires in missile warehouses and were eventually required to use them to maximize safety decades ago.

Prozac, Lipitor, Flonase and about 30% of upcoming new pharmaceutical drugs are PFAS, so they aren't going away completely, because society has determined that they are valuable even if they can reach toxic levels if not disposed of properly (every chemical is toxic after a certain human concentration, including water).

Companies wouldn't be able to manufacture semiconductors without PFAS as well, or high temperature components for warfare.

Now that we are smarter, we know how to mitigate risk and reduce concentrating materials to keep below relevant ppb thresholds.

If America isn't educationally sophisticated enough to handle this manufacturing and risk, it will just be done in zero regulation geographies like China and the world will be worse off.

Re: Three companies agree to pay $1B to settle 'forever chemical' claims

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When a payout like this occurs, does it mean the problem is resolved? In other words, are these companies no longer putting out toxic chemicals, or are they buying the ability to continue to do that without fear of further lawsuits?

> In a statement, Dupont said it “has never manufactured PFOA or PFOS.” CNN has reached out to the other companies for comment on the allegations, which they denied in a press release Friday. How can they stop something they never did

DuPont is lying. They 100% did produce these materials. We have a factory on my place from which they dump this in the river.

Re: Three companies agree to pay $1B to settle 'forever chemical' claims

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When a payout like this occurs, does it mean the problem is resolved? In other words, are these companies no longer putting out toxic chemicals, or are they buying the ability to continue to do that without fear of further lawsuits?

> In a statement, Dupont said it “has never manufactured PFOA or PFOS.” CNN has reached out to the other companies for comment on the allegations, which they denied in a press release Friday. How can they stop something they never did

I can think of plenty of ways that sentence might be weaselly.

Maybe they "synthesized" them, not "manufactured"

Maybe they bought them from some other company (which they might happen to own)

Maybe they manufactured PFAs in general, but not the specific chemicals PFOA or PFOS (it's an awfully specific statement, after all)

Re: Three companies agree to pay $1B to settle 'forever chemical' claims

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The cost for anything like this should always be the cost of cleaning up the entire mess it created and compensating the humans harmed by it and covering their lifetime medical bills. $1billion sounds a tad low for doing any of that given the world wide impact. Its a bad deal.

Re: Three companies agree to pay $1B to settle 'forever chemical' claims

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> In a statement, Dupont said it “has never manufactured PFOA or PFOS.” CNN has reached out to the other companies for comment on the allegations, which they denied in a press release Friday. How can they stop something they never did

I can think of plenty of ways that sentence might be weaselly. Maybe they "synthesized" them, not "manufactured" Maybe they bought them from some other company (which they might happen to own) Maybe they manufactured PFAs in general, but not the specific chemicals PFOA or PFOS (it's an awfully specific statement, after all)

I think it will likely be this - I'm already seeing all sorts of companies pivot to marketing "PFOA" free teflon alternatives (Starflon was the one that popped up last).

I suspect that just like the whole BPA in plastic thing - the "___ free" alternatives will not be any better.

They will just be sidestepping the very precise legal definition of the chemical that got them in trouble.

Re: Three companies agree to pay $1B to settle 'forever chemical' claims

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The cost for anything like this should always be the cost of cleaning up the entire mess it created and compensating the humans harmed by it and covering their lifetime medical bills. $1billion sounds a tad low for doing any of that given the world wide impact. Its a bad deal.

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Re: Three companies agree to pay $1B to settle 'forever chemical' claims

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When a payout like this occurs, does it mean the problem is resolved? In other words, are these companies no longer putting out toxic chemicals, or are they buying the ability to continue to do that without fear of further lawsuits?

> In a statement, Dupont said it “has never manufactured PFOA or PFOS.” CNN has reached out to the other companies for comment on the allegations, which they denied in a press release Friday. How can they stop something they never did

I am aware that companies sometimes settle cases where they are in the right in order to avoid legal fees, but the idea that Dupont paid $400M in this settlement despite having not manufactured the chemicals in question is absurd.

If they thought they weren't liable then they would have fought this in court.

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