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Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

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Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

#31

I presume that going dark means that there will be less traffic on the site, which ostensibly would put pressure on the ad revenue. How long would this have to go on before it was a noticeable effect on read its balance sheet?

I can't imagine it will have any noticeable effect on their ad revenue. We are talking about a handful of subs out of thousands.

Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

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post #7

I really hope one of the bigger third party apps finds a way to just point their front end to a reddit clone and eat reddits lunch.

I keep hearing this, but how many of reddit users actually use third party apps? If Twitter proved anything, its that its really hard to kill a popular social media network, no matter how badly managed or drama filled it is.

Some subs are posting metrics for this. The few I've seen show the largest slice is 3PA.

Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

#33
post #4

A large portion of reddit contributors use 3rd party apps. Will reddit even be worth using if those people leave? That’s a huge risk, and I’m not confident Reddit has fully evaluated the second order effects of this API change.

How large is a "large portion"?

Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

#34
post #5

I will never understand how Reddit bungled this so badly. I'm no Harvard MBA, but here's an easier way out – instead of asking small-time app developers to pay millions, put API access contingent on the account subscribing to Reddit Premium. That way users get to keep the experience they enjoy, independent developers can keep doing their thing, Reddit gets to make up for the lost ad revenue in the form of subscriptio…

The aim is not _just_ to make money, but to force users to use their crappy app so they can track users better. Sort of like what Twitter did. It’s also why they had like one dude working on their mobile website one hour a month for the last few years.

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post #11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not about the revenue, its about forcing everyone to get ads, with endless tracking.

Says who? They are only pushing the "official experience" to make up for lost ad revenue. If I pay Reddit $50/yr why would they care what app I use? YouTube does the same thing with Premium, and it is working out great.

Which 3rd party YouTube app are you using?

Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

#36

I don't follow reddit too closely. But I remember there was another big fiasco a while ago and a bunch of clones/spinoff sites were started. Have any of those survived? (and not been completely overrun with fringe political content that's banned everywhere else)

I mentioned this elsewhere: ruqqus and saidit seem to have failed getting traction. The latter one still exists (the former one doesn't, it seems), but is a cesspool of trolling, anti-everything-ism and conspiracy theorists.

Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

#37
post #7

I really hope one of the bigger third party apps finds a way to just point their front end to a reddit clone and eat reddits lunch.

I keep hearing this, but how many of reddit users actually use third party apps? If Twitter proved anything, its that its really hard to kill a popular social media network, no matter how badly managed or drama filled it is.

you don't have to kill a popular social media network, you just need enough people to leave to an alternative to make them viable

all together the 3rd party app users and res users consist of millions of the most dedicated tech savvy users that will switch.

myspace and digg technically exist but they're no longer relevant. Reddit is moving in the same direction

Lemmy/kbin is more popular than it has even been and the main lemmy instance is overloaded.

July when the actual apps shut down we'll see a huge migration to the fediverse

Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

#38
post #2

In another thread about this, someone mentioned Lemmy, a federated alternative to Reddit: https://lemmy.one/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 Looks like an interesting approach.

link is broken

It works for me

Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

#39
post #20
post #4

A large portion of reddit contributors use 3rd party apps. Will reddit even be worth using if those people leave? That’s a huge risk, and I’m not confident Reddit has fully evaluated the second order effects of this API change.

Do you have a source for “a large portion of reddit contributors use 3rd party apps”? And what percent are we talking about here?

> Do you have a source for “a large portion of reddit contributors use 3rd party apps”?

Most top-level reddit posts come from bots reposting old content. Those bots aren't using the first party app...

Re: Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps

#40
post #17
post #5

I will never understand how Reddit bungled this so badly. I'm no Harvard MBA, but here's an easier way out – instead of asking small-time app developers to pay millions, put API access contingent on the account subscribing to Reddit Premium. That way users get to keep the experience they enjoy, independent developers can keep doing their thing, Reddit gets to make up for the lost ad revenue in the form of subscriptio…

Yes! Speaking as a heavy Reddit, but non-sub user, this is exactly what would have gotten me to pay them $50 a year. Not NFTs, stickers and avatars. I think the problem is that the API concerns are more around LLMs having easy access points to their data than anything else. Still, this could have been avoided by providing free-use keys to trusted developers. It's not like there are that many of them. Just seems odd h…

> Still, this could have been avoided by providing free-use keys to trusted developers.

This approach mostly doesn't work because, for third-party client apps that don't go through the developer's own server, scrapers could snag those keys from the client. Scraping has always been a thing and I don't see a foolproof solution that allows good actors to use the product without bad actors getting to scrape content (not that scrapers won't settle for html scraping).

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