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WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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> They ain't desirable. But who wants to pay them do nothing? I do. Because these sentences are in opposition, not support. If they are undesirable in the workforce (reduce productivity or whatever) then why would you want them working? If they drain x dollars from the system, UBI costs y dollars, and if y Here's how I see it: if the measure of a man is how he treats someone who can give him nothing, then the measure…

Humans are not rational economic units. There's much more at play. My issue with UBI (and too lax welfare in general) is cultural issues. Once you get multiple generations of people who never worked.. It's not good. Personally I think USSR was somewhat close to UBI. Working was mandatory and pay was crap. But everybody looked the other way when somebody slacked or was drunk at work all the time. It was next to imposs…

We are, slowly but surely, approaching a point where worl is no longer a feasible way to distrubute wealth of a society to everyone. Reasons are automation, efficiency improvements, limited growth and, yes as much as I hate it, AI.

Once we reach that point, as a society we have to answer the question of what happens to those people who find themselvesbout ofbwork. And those left with dull and dangerous jobs, usually the underpaid ones as well.

As long as you are a proponent of unlimited capitalism and still have a job, not varing is one answer. Caring about more than oneself, or taking a more long term view, aiming for some kind of social net, and UBI is an option, is only prudent. Too much social unrest is recipe for disaster, and ultimately revolution (history has examples for that as recent as the Arab Spring). Smart ruling classes want to avoid that, e.g. Bismarck who invented the Prussian / German to combat a raise of socialist ideologies.

Not smart elites, and wannabe elites, optimize for their own short term benefit. As did French nobility once.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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You'd think people would learn after the covid money printer that giving people paper with funny pictures doesn't actually do anything. UBI, like Roko's basilisk, is the magical thinking of our age. We need a working government to meet people's needs because the market sure as hell can't. That's a lot harder than just brrrr .

UBI isn't covid money printer though. You're misrepresenting it either intentionally or by mistake to discredit it. UBI would, and should, replace current welfare schemes. We already have those in place.

> UBI would, and should, replace current welfare schemes.

It can't. There still needs to be a safety net for people who don't use their UBI to buy food or shelter.

And then you're back where we are now - some sort of safety net for people who don't have food or shelter.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Some people don’t want to work. They’ve told me so. I think UBI would destroy these people, like easy wealth does to the newly rich. A better solution is to focus on worker’s rights and labor regulations. Of course that opens the internationalism question, but so too would ubi.

Free money is never going to solve anything. I don't mind helping people in need but just handing out money to people especially the ones that are already lazy wouldn't solve a thing. Instead, we should focus on getting people to work. Whatever that takes. We should reward those who want to work and penalize those who don't. If you can't work due to a real disability, you should be helped.

I used to think HN is full of brilliant people but then there's emotionaly stunted priviliged yuppies like you spewing the most retarded shit I've ever seen. Please fuck off and work yourself to death so there's less of you.

Fuck you.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Creeps can't stop themselves from creeping. How about this: Step 0 - define the ungameable behaviours that you know will result in an improved business outcome. Step 1 - tell everyone about these behaviours so that don't have to guess about what should be done to make the business great. Step 2 - track all of behaviours to ensure that everyone is doing them. It isn't necessary to be a creep about it because the behav…

what is NPV?

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Same here. Employers can't even look inside user's mailboxes because there is no guarantee that it doesn't contain anything personal. Even if the company has a rule that you're not allowed to use it for personal things, the law supersedes that and you still can't do it willy nilly.

> Even if the company has a rule that you're not allowed to use it for personal things, the law supersedes that and you still can't do it willy nilly. Companies are not homogeneous blocks of matter and there is always information some people at the company may need to know that others have no business dealing with. Tax, banking and health related information are some of the things that I can think of that would be sh…

Health related information may absolutely not be shared, and doesn't need to be.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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post #226

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In the EU you should not be asked to work more that the maximum hours defined in the European Working Time Regulations. There is usually a range in these directives so member states can choose to go to the high or low end. But there is a range that has to be put into law for each country. Basically you shouldn't lose your job for refusing to work more hours than are defined in the regulations, if you do there is a tr…

A lot of contracts I'm seeing nowadays include the opt out of this working time directive. They say you can opt in or out at any point by providing a written request to HR, but defaulting to opt out at the point when all the power is with the company (the candidate is signing the initial contract, and may not want to rock the boat) seems wrong IMO.

You cannot work contract your way around the law. Corporations still try to, even in the EU, but those sections can just be ignored by an employee.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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post #142

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> Even if the company has a rule that you're not allowed to use it for personal things, the law supersedes that and you still can't do it willy nilly. Companies are not homogeneous blocks of matter and there is always information some people at the company may need to know that others have no business dealing with. Tax, banking and health related information are some of the things that I can think of that would be sh…

Health related information may absolutely not be shared, and doesn't need to be.

Employer don't even get diagnosis behind sick leave. Not sure how work accidents are treated in that regard so.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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post #142

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Same here. Employers can't even look inside user's mailboxes because there is no guarantee that it doesn't contain anything personal. Even if the company has a rule that you're not allowed to use it for personal things, the law supersedes that and you still can't do it willy nilly.

> Even if the company has a rule that you're not allowed to use it for personal things, the law supersedes that and you still can't do it willy nilly. Companies are not homogeneous blocks of matter and there is always information some people at the company may need to know that others have no business dealing with. Tax, banking and health related information are some of the things that I can think of that would be sh…

> Tax, banking and health related information are some of the things that I can think of that would be shared on a need to know basis with people at work and have no business to be seen by people outside of the intended audience.

I am against workplace surveillance, but why would people receive this information to their work email address?

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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This is why I completely reinstalled my Win10 after multiple attempts to get rid of MSFT and O365 telemetry and bloatware. In the new install I used O&O Shutup and other debloaters and completely wiped out MSFT bloatware (apart from Edge who is now built into the system and it's impossible to get rid of because MSFT ..).

Now I use O365 Web and it's more than enough for my use case.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Always request a separate laptop and phone for work, and always create a separate set of accounts.

Im amazed people work from their personal PCs How is that allowed lol From the company side, they dont know whats on my machine. I might have pirated everything and keyloggers out the wazoo, thats my choice.

People working from their personal PCs is what fucked lastpass in their last hack.
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