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WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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I guarantee that all large enterprises that can legally get away with it, will soon start monitoring everything electronic their employees do using LLMs. Everything you write in an email or say in a Teams meeting will be transcribed and read. The LLM will be instructed to check that you’re “compliant with corporate communications policy.” Sounds innocuous, right? Just stop employees leaking PII or swearing at custome…

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Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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This is why I got really worried when MS somehow combined my private O365 with that of my employer. Likely happened because I had both accounts on the same iPhone. Suddenly, my work computer offered to open a word doc from my private OneDrive.

Microsoft is very intransparent here. They didn’t ask me, I couldn’t find out if that means my employer has access to my private data, and it kept coming back even after I found the “unlink” option. Creepy.

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Germany famously just passed legislation that forces employers to record working hours for all employees.

Very annoyingly so - it's a nightmare for anyone with flexible hours.

How? I clock in when I start a work session and clock out when I finish it. It's really just that simple.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Now that Microsoft owns LinkedIn, I wouldn't trust them one bit to keep your activity there away from your employer. It would be really easy to correlate your sentiment analysis on Teams/email against your LI messaging traffic.

To what end? Like I'm not saying that there won't be people doing it, I just don't understand why a company that valued it's employees would be doing sentiment analysis on LinkedIn vs the many other ways they could approach the relationship. Is the idea that a workforce comprised of people that obey or work around the stupid unwritten rules is going to be more effective?

I see it as an upsell.

"Hey HR, do you want an early peek as to which of your employees are about to quit?"

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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I don't really understand the subject too deeply, just enough to have me convinced UBI should be implemented in some form, but I think the fundamental assumption is that everything that the government has to provide, it is going to do so, by no fault of the government itself, in a very inefficient way. So by the mere act of UBI replacing many systems and centralising in a single program many forms of wealth redistrib…

> it is going to do so, by no fault of the government itself, in a very inefficient way Whose fault is it then? I mean if we agree that some governments/organizations are more efficient than others who else could we blame? >UBI replacing many systems For instance the British government spends about £2500 per capita on welfare. Even if admin etc. would cost nothing £200 per month is not exactly an amount which would a…

It is nobody's fault, it is intrinsically difficult to organize a large group of humans. Some countries deal with it better, many examples come to mind from Europe, but they have many advantages and still are far from being efficient in general.

Look I am not a political philosopher, not even close. But I can refer you to Robert Nozick's the Minimal Estate. I am not sure I agree with everything he says there, but I think he describes interesting points regarding govnmt efficiency.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really understand the subject too deeply, just enough to have me convinced UBI should be implemented in some form, but I think the fundamental assumption is that everything that the government has to provide, it is going to do so, by no fault of the government itself, in a very inefficient way. So by the mere act of UBI replacing many systems and centralising in a single program many forms of wealth redistrib…

It is incredibly easy to automate giving every citizen an unconditional electronic deposit. The inefficiency and overhead of social programs comes from individual assessments to figure out who to exclude.

I am not sure if I agree. Govmnt has to deal with much more than mere function of their programs. It must have approval, integrate with other social databases, be somewhat resilient against fraud. Not to mention this assumes everybody can be reached by electronic deposits which isn't a given.

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Run it on a separate VLAN or on separate network hardware, as well.

So like, how does that work. I've got a pair of Asus routers with one acting as an access point (AI mesh). Would I need to buy new routers? Do I daisy chain the routers or can I reuse the wifi ap? Or put Merlin on my existing ones? I'm in tech but these network suggestions are all quite opaque to me.

Depends on the hardware, even consumer networking hardware often support VLANs. Sometimes it's hidden behind settings, other times you'll have to use something like OpenWRT. Some hardware lets you run multiple APs at once, and you can have an AP for your VLAN.

Sometimes it's cheaper/easier to just buy a shitty router to use for your untrusted devices.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Nearly 20 years ago we used to install monitoring software to tell if a user's mouse or keyboard hadn't been used in a while. More and more places use traffic inspection "for security". Desks now use sensors to tell when warm bodies are near. Doesn't matter whether you're working from office or in the home, surveillance is here to stay. Good businesses should only care if work is getting accomplished. Bad businesses…

> Good businesses should only care if work is getting accomplished. This always comes across as people wanting to have the cake and eat it. Employers should only care that the work is getting done, but if the work isn't done, then the employee should still be able to go home after 8 hours and get full salary?

You have to pay full salary regardless of whatever you deem work is and however you judge the status to be done or not. You can ask the employee to stay longer do it enough and that employee now pushes off their night and starts coming in later to.. because they are going to be staying late anyways. And nothing gets done after 5pm aside from making plans to hit the bar at 7/8/9. The CEO notices this and this employee has a rep of staying late. Soon he is your boss.

What would you rather have again? An employee finishing early sounds good to me

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is incredibly easy to automate giving every citizen an unconditional electronic deposit. The inefficiency and overhead of social programs comes from individual assessments to figure out who to exclude.

I am not sure if I agree. Govmnt has to deal with much more than mere function of their programs. It must have approval, integrate with other social databases, be somewhat resilient against fraud. Not to mention this assumes everybody can be reached by electronic deposits which isn't a given.

This is pretty much a reasonably solved problem. You issue a bank card to anyone who doesn't have a bank and deposit the funds and resolve issues of identity by physically showing up an an office. Post offices are pervasively available and usually very close to where most people live.

For fraud issue you have the bank or banks running the program handle fraud per normal procedures and the government steps in to prosecute people who abuse the system as they do in present situations. The program loses no more than a normal bank to fraud and covers losses from fraud by investing deposits in safe securities.

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Creeps can't stop themselves from creeping.

How about this: Step 0 - define the ungameable behaviours that you know will result in an improved business outcome. Step 1 - tell everyone about these behaviours so that don't have to guess about what should be done to make the business great. Step 2 - track all of behaviours to ensure that everyone is doing them. It isn't necessary to be a creep about it because the behaviours cannot be gamed. If you find that you have to be a creep to accomplish your objectives, go back to step 0.

Please don't retort with creep's favourite quote: "Once a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.". If the measure is any good it is fine if it becomes a target. As an example, NPV is a fine measure and fine target.

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