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WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by wizofaus »

trw_phy wrote: post #49
gchamonlive wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quit the bad ones, join the good ones. This is why universal income is extremely important, so that people can pursue better jobs without risking being vulnerable.

You'd think people would learn after the covid money printer that giving people paper with funny pictures doesn't actually do anything. UBI, like Roko's basilisk, is the magical thinking of our age. We need a working government to meet people's needs because the market sure as hell can't. That's a lot harder than just brrrr .

Covid printer money worked just fine, in terms of allowing businesses to stay afloat while not being able to operate at normal capacity. But it was never set up as a long-term sustainable program. There may well be things to learn about how well and in what ways UBI might work from it, but there are way too many unusual circumstances surrounding how government policy helped economies navigate a once-in-100-year pandemic to extrapolate many general principles from.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by ListenLinda »

IT can screen capture you computer without you knowing so this isn't new. Furthermore they can also see what application is in the foreground and OCR the captured image for more information. The possibilities to monitor you are endless.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by darkwater »

jupp0r wrote: post #70
geek_at wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> surveillance is here to stay in the United States. Europe has very strict rules about surveiling employees. Example: In Austria we are not allowed to use some of the functions that Azure-AD joined computers would be capable of because employers _might_ push remote control software the user hasn't agreed to

Germany famously just passed legislation that forces employers to record working hours for all employees.

It must akin to the Spanish similar regulation I guess, but the idea is to force employers recognize and pay extra worked hours, not to spy on the employees.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by charlie0 »

tigrezno wrote: post #77
2devnull wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people don’t want to work. They’ve told me so. I think UBI would destroy these people, like easy wealth does to the newly rich. A better solution is to focus on worker’s rights and labor regulations. Of course that opens the internationalism question, but so too would ubi.

So if you have the opportunity to stop working and keep being paid, wouldn't you take it? I'm sure the mayority of people don't want to work. It's not a natural thing to do.

I'm sure those people don't want to give up their iPhones and AC either (which also are not "natural").

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by Randomizer42 »

This is nothing new and we have brought this on to ourselves. This is a gross invasion of privacy and the employer had no fcuking right to snoop like that on you even if they own the communication devices, laptop, cell-phone etc.. Why have we surrendered so much to these corporations.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by transpute »

LightBug1 wrote: post #59

I run a couple essential apps in a Virtualbox on my work laptop. Mainly due to compatability but more and more so due to privacy and articles like this. Am I right in thinking that anything that goes on inside that Virtualbox is 'relatively' private? I don't believe our IT department have the capacity to go beyond something like Office 365 Admin, but who knows. Thanks,

Lower turtles can peek into higher turtles, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by Randomizer42 »

2devnull wrote: post #47
gchamonlive wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quit the bad ones, join the good ones. This is why universal income is extremely important, so that people can pursue better jobs without risking being vulnerable.

Some people don’t want to work. They’ve told me so. I think UBI would destroy these people, like easy wealth does to the newly rich. A better solution is to focus on worker’s rights and labor regulations. Of course that opens the internationalism question, but so too would ubi.

Easy wealth? I am not sure how to respond to this.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by callmeal »

2devnull wrote: post #47
gchamonlive wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quit the bad ones, join the good ones. This is why universal income is extremely important, so that people can pursue better jobs without risking being vulnerable.

Some people don’t want to work. They’ve told me so. I think UBI would destroy these people, like easy wealth does to the newly rich. A better solution is to focus on worker’s rights and labor regulations. Of course that opens the internationalism question, but so too would ubi.

>Some people don’t want to work.

Good. It's preferable that people who don't want to work stay home and do other things, rather than coming into the office and not working.

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by bboygravity »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #20

Nearly 20 years ago we used to install monitoring software to tell if a user's mouse or keyboard hadn't been used in a while. More and more places use traffic inspection "for security". Desks now use sensors to tell when warm bodies are near. Doesn't matter whether you're working from office or in the home, surveillance is here to stay. Good businesses should only care if work is getting accomplished. Bad businesses…

Only in America (and third world countries).

Re: WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveillance creep (2022)

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Post by wizofaus »

hmmSceptical wrote: post #61
wmf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep moving those goalposts.

> Goalposts You literally said "output" the most speculative / vague definition of "work" available. I appreciate programmers / "creatives" "output" is much harder to measure, but there are alot of jobs where "mouse moving", "words per second" is a very reliable indicator of "output".

Such as? And more importantly, is there the slightest evidence that putting such monitoring in place actually helps increase output?
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