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Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by 11235813213455 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #215
11235813213455 wrote: post #184

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> prosperity are you a business man? https://thestorytellers.com/the-businessman-and-the-fisherma... enjoy your life without pollution, drought etc, instead of money

Yeah, enjoy your life under the de facto rule of greater nations who could sanction you to oblivion and take everything you have by force any second they wanted because you have a joke military that's only good for painting roads in peace time. Worked great for the original inhabitants of Brazil when the portuguese came in 1500, now they depend on communists for property rights.

you've the same kind of talk and hate than some African with colonialism

Personally I don't give a damn about nations, I care about the planet as a whole, I live in France but nowhere like the average, more like a third-world person (I don't even have a fridge, not hot water, nor heating or AC, just to give you an idea), so your talk doesn't make sense to me

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Post by rcarr »

nec4b wrote: post #239
rcarr wrote: post #237

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Wikipedia definition: Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a wide range of economic and social systems[1] which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production,[2][3][4] as opposed to private ownership.[5][6][4] As a term, it describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems.[7] Social ownership can be publ…

Just follow through with your logic. Were Romans 2000 years ago socialist (Roman state build roads)? Were middle age European kings (they were the state) socialist for building roads? I mean did you read what you copy pasted from wikipedia, it doesn't support what you claim at all.

The copy and pasted definition supports my argument exactly.

> Romans 2000 years ago socialist (Roman state build roads)?

No because Roman roads were built for military purposes and with military funds.

> Were middle age European kings (they were the state) socialist for building roads?

No, because there was no government that represented the people. All the land was owned by the royals and aristocracy.

The roads today are owned by the state, which represents the citizens of the country, not an individual, family or military. The roads are funded by direct allocation of the taxes of citizens and not from any single individual’s bank account or military war spoils.

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Post by pelasaco »

anthk wrote: post #240
pelasaco wrote: post #238

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That's where you are totally wrong. Mostly people that are communists, don't live under communist regimes. Never went to a communist country. They are mostly rich kids, that "read" Marx and thought they "got it". Funny part is that Marx himself was the same kind of person. Rich kid, never worked and thought that he understood the world enough to try to fix it..

In America, maybe. In Europe, the social-democracy it's a big spectrum. There's the liberal left, the tankie left, the conservative left (which in the end it's 99% close to the Italian/Spanish Fascism), and the libertarian communism, also known as Anarchist comunes, but you need highly educated people there. No, not rich, just truly educated. In scientific and technological fields. On Russia, today they're closer to…

it is actually not different than Soviet Union under Staling. So wasn't Staling a Socialist?

Check this out: " LGBT themes and issues faced increasing official government censorship and a uniformly harsher policy across the entire Soviet Union. Homosexuality was officially labelled a disease and a mental disorder in the late 1920s (specifically over a period from 1927 to 1930)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia. People keep trying to avoid call Left by their name. You cannot simply start to call everything bad Right and the Heaven Left. Its absurd.

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Post by jessekv »

wolverine876 wrote: post #218
jessekv wrote: post #91

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Taking into account the most economical outcome in the short/medium term also can make your country or community poor in the long term. If you care about the future of where you live, its important to cultivate and support local industry, even when its more expensive.

> Taking into account the most economical outcome in the short/medium term also can make your country or community poor in the long term. If you care about the future of where you live, its important to cultivate and support local industry, even when its more expensive. Your solution is the short-term one, maybe not even that. In the long run, your community is much better off producing what it does best and trading…

Your reply comes right out of ECON 101, and is broadly speaking correct. Still, you've missed the point.

Let's use your example, Microsoft. Companies have different incentives than communities or countries, but I think we can make this work.

For many years, Microsoft only sold software, and let others who were experts in hardware make the hardware and install microsoft on it. Later, they realised that it was strategically important to manufacture their own consumer hardware, and now you have the Surface lineup. Maybe in the near future, they will decide they need to start manufacturing their own chips. If they do that, it's not going to be cheap, especially in the short term. In fact, Microsoft might never be able to produce chips more cheaply than Intel. But they still could choose to do it in-house (or just buy Intel) if the alternative is to lose their dominant position in the market.

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Post by Rexxar »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #170
Rexxar wrote: post #166

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You got it reversed, developed countries have stopped to use their forest when they industrialized and start to use coal/oil instead of wood and when increase in food production make the use of less productive land unnecessary. Thinking you can be richer by destroying Amazonia is pure delusion. For example, the forest is bigger in France now that is was 1000 years ago : http://geoconfluences.ens-lyon.fr/geoconfluence…

> Thinking you can be richer by destroying Amazonia is pure delusion. What? Literally any economical activity you can think of would be a better use for that massive amount of land. If you told me I could have a billion dollar fab built in my country but the only place I could build it was in the middle of the amazon, it wouldn't take me even one second to decide. Did you know there's oil reserves in the amazon? Peop…

I don't see the point of your examples

- A billion dollar fab will be 0.00001% of the forest.

- Oil can be extracted without destroying forest

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Rexxar wrote: post #245
matheusmoreira wrote: post #170

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> Thinking you can be richer by destroying Amazonia is pure delusion. What? Literally any economical activity you can think of would be a better use for that massive amount of land. If you told me I could have a billion dollar fab built in my country but the only place I could build it was in the middle of the amazon, it wouldn't take me even one second to decide. Did you know there's oil reserves in the amazon? Peop…

I don't see the point of your examples - A billion dollar fab will be 0.00001% of the forest. - Oil can be extracted without destroying forest

Billion dollar fabs and oil rigs will create a ton of jobs and attract a lot of people to their surroundings. That means housing, local services to serve and sustain that population, local infrastructure paid for by increased tax revenue. The increased economic activity will attract more capital and start a self-sustaining cycle that will develop and improve vast areas. Everyone will want to be there to get a piece of that prosperity.

I know because I literally live in a city where this happened. Steel industry. When my parents came here, it pretty much was a jungle. Now they call it the Steel Valley.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

11235813213455 wrote: post #241
matheusmoreira wrote: post #215

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Yeah, enjoy your life under the de facto rule of greater nations who could sanction you to oblivion and take everything you have by force any second they wanted because you have a joke military that's only good for painting roads in peace time. Worked great for the original inhabitants of Brazil when the portuguese came in 1500, now they depend on communists for property rights.

you've the same kind of talk and hate than some African with colonialism Personally I don't give a damn about nations, I care about the planet as a whole, I live in France but nowhere like the average, more like a third-world person (I don't even have a fridge, not hot water, nor heating or AC, just to give you an idea), so your talk doesn't make sense to me

You may not care but I do. I would very much enjoy seeing Brazil become a powerful country.

If I hate anything it's the weakness of our governors who are perfectly happy in their positions as globalist puppets. They are always seeking the next great power so they can align themselves with them. Once upon a time that was the United States. Now it looks like it's China. Wish they had the balls to aspire to be the next great power instead.

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Post by roflyear »

retinaros wrote: post #150
cmarschner wrote: post #102

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Well, Brazil needs to stop producing oil within at most a generation. Or pay for it.

according to al gore - who became a multi millionnaire if not billionaire thanks to his fake prediction - we are already dead so we might be living in a simulation.

Which prediction?

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Post by uoaei »

pelasaco wrote: post #203
uoaei wrote: post #197

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Faacinating. You've linked to an article that shows Lula is acting in accordance with Indigenous demands, and that the Senate is the one limiting their land rights. But then you say Lula is the problem. Sounds like unfounded scapegoating to me.

I guess you know nothing about Politics, specially in South America, so i will translate it to you. Lula knows the senate, he knows that there is no way this would be approved, but doing as he did, people like you would believe he wanted to change anything. He has other instruments to change it, if he really wanted. This is simply virtue signaling. Why trust the internet dude? Marina Silva, a strong person in the eco…

Every single one of the links you post directly contradict your given summaries. You're lying and you're not even very good at it.

You're right, why trust the internet, especially anonymous forum commenters with no reputation to uphold?

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