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At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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>"...should began this July..." Seriously? Should? How. Many. Times. Have we heard it already? In the timeless words of George W Bush Junior "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... Wait, I can't be fooled again!" No way I'm going to get hopeful here and then pi locator will show one pi zero 2 W in entire Europe, in the one shop in Belgium the owner of refuses to ship out of his country... How many cool open sour…

Not coming back? But they clearly are? Pimoroni was shipping Pi 4Bs last week.

It has nothing to do with "burning through the charitable donation money". The Pi is sold by a (profitable, AFAIK) wholly-owned subsidiary, the Raspberry Pi Trading Company. Manufacturing them does not absorb Foundation money at all.

They have been supply-constrained on components. It's that simple, surely. Eben Upton has said it again and again, and sometimes gone into detail about which components. They chose to try to keep the whole ecosystem alive, which meant prioritising commercial customers, they've been manufacturing millions of devices per year, and it still isn't enough to meet demand.

FWIW, if I was in their shoes I would have discontinued the 4B series entirely, by early 2022. I personally think they should not be operating in that segment with an SBC. I think there should just be a Pi 400 that takes a CM4. Both to simplify things in the educational sector, and to get out of the "high end SBC I am not using that is in my desk drawer" segment entirely.

They should focus on the Pico, which is clearly now their most interesting product line and their most interesting educational device.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

#52
post #42

>"...should began this July..." Seriously? Should? How. Many. Times. Have we heard it already? In the timeless words of George W Bush Junior "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... Wait, I can't be fooled again!" No way I'm going to get hopeful here and then pi locator will show one pi zero 2 W in entire Europe, in the one shop in Belgium the owner of refuses to ship out of his country... How many cool open sour…

> How. Many. Times. Have we heard it already?

Personally, it's the first I've heard of this.

I have heard them saying that the problem won't be solved at least until $SOME_DATE a lot of times. But this is a completely different statement.

> "look guys, we've burned through all the charitable donation money and this business model is unsustainable, we have to pivot"

AFAIK, the problem is that the chip manufacturer decided not to build it anymore. Again, AFAIK, none of the decision falls into the project. Besides, clones have been unavailable too, and if it was just about the project, the clones would still be created.

Yes, it's all a shame, and it had many bad effects.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

#53
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ARM SBC entry costs have jumped upwards of $100 and low powered Intel machines (used thin clients, nucs, workstations) have become more accessible than ever. When the 4 was brand new, 4 cores/4gb was pretty killer for the entry price. The Pi had an incredible impact but it's pretty obvious it doesn't fit very well into a lot of usecases any more given other options. I hope that over the next few years the Pi foundati…

> I hope that over the next few years the Pi foundation can focus on its original goal for the Pi: a cheap and accessible device that could be used in schools to teach programming.

FWIW I think they really are. In the middle of last year they deliberately pivoted both MagPi and Hackspace Magazine to projects involving the Pico, and they've done, IMO, a very good job in demonstrating that many of the educational projects around the Pi Zero are little more than simple Python (usually) scripts that toggle a few GPIO pins. Not only do they run just fine on a Pico or Pico W, it's arguably of more obvious educational value to see them running on such simple devices.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Thank god! I’ve been so frustrated I couldn’t get one of these and then put it in a drawer and immediately forget about it.

Same. I used to have an alert to notify me when pretty much any Pi was in stock. I’d purchase and stick them in a drawer. I have a drawer full of Pi’s that have never been turned on.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Each time this topic comes up, some broad threads emerge: - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation? - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particularly supply-constrained in the UK until about five or six months into the pandemic. Yeah, som…

> - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation?

One of the main options pointed at is low-power x86 boxes, which are better than Pis ever were. The rest of the ARM ecosystem is, I agree, poor.

> - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particularly supply-constrained in the UK until about five or six months into the pandemic.

Then it really has; there being a supply in the UK isn't exactly useful to most of the world.

> What I don't understand is this: how is it, if you've not been able to get hold of something for _five_ years, there's been no obvious co-ordinated attempts to get mainline support for the alternatives, or even any attempt to match the documentation? Five years was plenty of time to pick a single series of devices and match the same level of kernel support, surely? Couldn't it have been crowdfunded?

Partially, nobody was expecting it to actually take that long. If at the start of the shortage we'd known it was going to be 5 years, there probably would have been more of a push. OTOH some of the alternatives have been getting more polished.

> It's almost as if most of the people whining are just upset there isn't a cheap device they can drop into a Kodi box without any effort.

Okay. Yes? That's a valid usecase.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

#56
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The shortage ruined the brand for me. Any sort of commercial product based on this cheap platform had supply issues, which caused a pivot. I had an old boss balk at me for suggesting we use Pi's back in 2013, I now see why. Glad to see the gouging finally come to an end!

The reason hobbyists had shortages was because they allocated supply to businesses to help them stay afloat. Possibly your old boss was not right.

You are both right.

Supply was allocated to businesses, but there was not enough for every business, so quite many of them could not buy Raspberry Pis for their products.

Then again, everyone was having major supply issues. Yes, you could pivot from the "hobby" R. Pi to a "serious" industrial brand that had sales people talk big words about how they don't have these "beginner player" issues - right up to when it was time to deliver and suddenly they start talking about 100+ week lead times and 2025 delivery dates...

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

#57

Any rumours of a 5?

No need. The CEO said (in an interview with the "explaining computers" YouTube channel) 2023 will be about fixing supply of existing models. It's reasonable to expect the 5 to arrive in 2024 at the earliest. Personally, I wouldn't expect super fast m2 ports and whatnot. Frankly, at this point I am ready to spend a bit more and get a proper 5800u mini pc or something. Waiting for AMD's Zen 4 APUs to hit the market. Th…

I really wish they would decide not to do it at all.

Put all the high-performance work into the CM units of different specifications. Make (or encourage the market to continue to make) mainboards that take those units. Maybe certify a couple of them for the Foundation's use.

And then focus on making microcontroller-level chips at different performance levels, up to an "alternative home computer" device. Something small, which can be learned completely. Enough power for something equivalent to a Minix or a CP/M or RISC OS. The RP2040 is almost there anyway.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

#58

The shortage ruined the brand for me. Any sort of commercial product based on this cheap platform had supply issues, which caused a pivot. I had an old boss balk at me for suggesting we use Pi's back in 2013, I now see why. Glad to see the gouging finally come to an end!

Just to reinforce what another commentor said, Pis were still being made available to sectors like business and education, so vendors who built products around rpi were still able to operate. We worked on a project in 2021 where we needed around 150 and had no problem sourcing them from a single vendor at MSRP alongside their product. Of course, that's not what I expected since I'd been personally affected by the sho…

> vendors who built products around rpi were still able to operate

> We worked on a project in 2021 where we needed around 150 and had no problem sourcing

We had minor sourcing difficulties ordering much fewer for production (10-15).

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to reinforce what another commentor said, Pis were still being made available to sectors like business and education, so vendors who built products around rpi were still able to operate. We worked on a project in 2021 where we needed around 150 and had no problem sourcing them from a single vendor at MSRP alongside their product. Of course, that's not what I expected since I'd been personally affected by the sho…

What was the path you took to get volume from vendors? Any links would be most appreciated.

What I did was email business@raspberrypi.com, as suggested at https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/production-and-supply-chain...

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to reinforce what another commentor said, Pis were still being made available to sectors like business and education, so vendors who built products around rpi were still able to operate. We worked on a project in 2021 where we needed around 150 and had no problem sourcing them from a single vendor at MSRP alongside their product. Of course, that's not what I expected since I'd been personally affected by the sho…

What was the path you took to get volume from vendors? Any links would be most appreciated.

To clarify, it was from a single vendor who sold a product that was designed around use with particular models of raspi, not bulk individual boards (even though that's how they shipped).

This was also two years ago, although we've been able to get more from them since, so I'd recommend calling companies that have any kits or products that include pis and asking them for info on ordering. If you have a procurement office or purchaser, they can help.

You'll have to forgive me for not wanting to threaten our golden goose just yet :)

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