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27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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post #172

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Not really. MacOS is also heavily used in companies where you can have your pick of OS. > This argument has as much convincing power as "elections" held in separatists regions of Ukraine. So, a lot, given the demographics.

> So, a lot, given the demographics This is so dumb I am not even going to explain why, enjoy swimming в море говна, и подлечись от идиотизма когда будет возможность

> This is so dumb

To be fair you used are the one who used this absolutely brilliant argument:

> The main reason Linux is not used is lazy sysadmins who only care to support Windows and MacOS for other employees.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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So sort of, but let's not look at the past too wistfully. I also remember when moderately long text had to be split across files (even multiple floppies if you were writing a book). I remember having to choose what languages my OS installation was going to be able to display. Farther back I remember not having the spare cash for the expansion card necessary to have lower case letters and typing in program listings ou…

Sure, but to that note, we've been at "enough computer" for a vast array of tasks for a long, long time now. Obviously, things that move boatloads of bits (mostly media) have well benefited from the vast amounts of RAM and incredible bandwidth of modern machines. And, of course, video games, which will always push limits. But outside of that, word processing, data collecting, "printing checks from AP", those peaked a…

I don't think this is very true. Let's take word processing for example, with say Word 5.1 on a Quadra 700 as a highish end (probably $10k in today's dollars) setup available in around 1992: In a narrow sense typing US English on a keyboard and being able to print it was fairly well solved. It would feel slow to someone with today's machines but it wasn't that bad. On the other hand if you shared with someone else in the early 90s odds are it was by handing off a floppy disk. Did you remember to include the necessary fonts? Oh wait, does the other end have a new enough version of PostScript installed? Does it all fit on one disk? Most languages in the world either required a different OS install or were fully unsupported.

Today all of this stuff is pretty well resolved, but at a cost. Easy sharing and interactive collaboration over network is built on protocols like TLS that would be very slow even on the Quadra. The networks that runs over use an amount of compute that rivals supercomputers of the 90s (for one example just look at channel correction in MIMO radios). The disk footprint of all the fonts, languages, etc, is mitigated by storing them server-side, but this is all usable due to how fast networks are now. Machine translation means you can work across a language divide. Dictation is a win for accessibility and avoiding RSI. All of this is available on a Chromebook or iPad that is more reliable than the Quadra, runs on a battery, and is 50x cheaper.

We're not done, just as today spell check and grammar check are widely accepted as table stakes in another ten years features like built-in writing coach, editing, and research assistant features will likely be considered basic requirements with all the hardware needed to support that.

And that's just word processing.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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I still think there's room for a device like this in real practical use.

Not for it's original application, no way would I want to give up modern software, but in embedded controls, something that gives you the full power of being able to do "Apps", while being cheap and small enough to have real dedicated devices.

Devices like this could be made insanely cheaply now, seeing as how $3 ESP32 type chips have more power. And the battery life would likely be measured in years today, since we wouldn't be using them to replace phones, we'd be using them to control our sprinklers and smart home devices, as calculators, etc.

We reached the good enough point for these so incredibly long ago, and the applications are so simple, plus there's no need for them to ever be directly exposed to the internet except on private WiFi.... they probably wouldn't need updates, at least not of the type an app would notice (They might need Bluetooth protocol updates).

It could also pair with a real phone and serve as a single-function interface device, a physical "app" for making phone calls, checking the weather, playing GB emulator games, etc.

At this point, anything that has a display and microcontroller could jump to PDA level capability for a few bucks more, and all these "Smart devices" would never go obsolete due to cloud crap again, you'd just install a new app.

Right now I think M5Stack is the closest thing, but it's not that popular outside of DIY, and there's no ecosystem around it.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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On a positive note, HN is one of the very few sites left which is still simple enough to be used with older browsers. I am writing this comment in the text console (no X11) of a Raspberry Pi 3 with a braille display (no monitor connected) as the output device. Using lynx as a pretty reliable browser. It is the exception, I know, I am a freak by nature of my disability, but I am also proud to know this niche still exi…

That surprises me. I'm a webdev and I've long considered HN to be a bit of an atrocity in terms of markup and a11y. Nested tables, no sr text to explain the thread structure, JS-only links scattered around. It works but only by the mercy of many text-based browsers being started in the 90s, so they're used to this pre-semantics rubbish. I can't tell if it's hubris but if I were king for a day, I'd like to think I'd l…

The table layout on the main page is more of a problem for a modern web bgrowser then it is actually for Lynx. Modern browsers will announce the table, and your position in it, which is totally irrelevant on the main page. That is definitely the wrong semantic tag for the job at hand. It should be a ordered-list, because that is what it is. However, most markup things tends to get rendered quite nicely in Lynx. The only thing I notice which I somethimes wish would work differently is the lack of the ability to know who is replying to whom...

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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I will never understand why we do not have this kind of device anymore. A small computer, running linux, proper keyboard, integrated LTE - it would be a messaging and writing dream. Back in the days i developed custom software for the Revo, the SDK was a dream to work with as well.

Is Linux the right choice? It feels so heavy. Could you make a Linux handheld that can run for 30 days on two AA batteries? Considering Psion made theirs 27 years ago, it seems like today we should be able to get a year or more out of two AA batteries.

A Kindle 4 runs Linux and has a 750mAh battery, which when multiplied by 3.7V gives 2.8 Wh.A single AA battery has nearly 4Wh, so two of them give nearly triple the capacity of a Kindle 4. A Kindle 4 lasts for a good month under light use, by suspending the CPU whenever the user isn't actively interacting with the UI. You could certainly make a productive Linux-based PDA that ran for a long time on AAs, provided you wrote custom software.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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post #210

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"let's MAKE MONEY now, fuck the energy we waste and the planet we kill, goddammit"

Moot point when computing is incredibly efficient when compared to heavy industry.

Well, considering the power consumption of the data centers and the heat they generate, I wouldn't call that "incredibly efficient".

Yes, a processor runs on ~1.5V, but that small post stamps generate incredible amounts of heat for what they do.

I can stand behind a rack of them to warm myself during prolonged work in our data center.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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post #196

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> So sort of, but let's not look at the past too wistfully. why? > I also remember when moderately long text had to be split across files (even multiple floppies if you were writing a book). 2MB is 2 million bytes, The average book is something like 0.5 > I remember having to choose what languages my OS installation was going to be able to display. This is a bad thing? > Farther back I remember not having the spare c…

The person you're replying to was talking about the Apple II era, when floppies held less than 200k at best. Availability of 2.44 MB floppy drives was an extremely late development, and IIRC rare to actually find in the wild.

I remember using a mechanical keyboard, imagine having to replace the paper every page with your hands! If one was to argue that is a significant hurdle in writing a book I would also have a hard time containing my cynicism.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Sholes-G...

What a marvel of engineering. All I got is plastic boxes. Thinking about it I'm not sure if having the next paragraph written by a different person is actually a good idea. Organizing your notes into a book undisturbed by better men is sure to impress a lot more. I would hope the final draft of my book about antique hardware wouldn't quote someone who remembers the bad parts better than the good.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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post #217

I will never understand why we do not have this kind of device anymore. A small computer, running linux, proper keyboard, integrated LTE - it would be a messaging and writing dream. Back in the days i developed custom software for the Revo, the SDK was a dream to work with as well.

Because you can type much faster on an onscreen keyboard on any cheap Android tablet. I did the test on my iPad, i reach around 70% of the typing speed compared to my favorite PC keyboard. There are some Tablets that include a keyboard in the cover, so in the end you have the same functionality and much better usability.

Speak for yourself!

A good onscreen keyboard, such as Swype, can be fairly fast... but horribly horribly inaccurate so I need to spend more time correcting the message than entering it.

The same is true of speech recognition. Quick, but so inaccurate as to waste more time fixing the resultant text than just typing it by hand would have been.

Source: I broke my right arm in mid-April and have spent a LOT of time and money looking into text entry systems since, including the very latest available Apple and MS Windows offerings.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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I will never understand why we do not have this kind of device anymore. A small computer, running linux, proper keyboard, integrated LTE - it would be a messaging and writing dream. Back in the days i developed custom software for the Revo, the SDK was a dream to work with as well.

It wouldn't be able to cope with Electron. Or the "modern" Web in general.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
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