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> Physician salaries are the only ones that do not grow relative to inflation Spoken with the true conviction of a position of privilege, and blinded by the very same. (No pun intended.) Hint: The majority of U.S. citizens have it worse than you.
So what? Making a doctor’s life better doesn’t preclude making everyone else’s life better. I think we should buoy everyone who isn’t in the capital class. This crab bucket mentality has got to go.
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#302Being a physician is a horrible career move right now. As a former Math/CS major turned eye surgeon, I can't help but think about how much easier my life would be had I stuck with tech. It's hard to understand exactly how hard the job is until you've lived it. I saw 40 patient's in clinic today in 8 hours without lunch or any kind of downtime and then spent 2 hours at the hospital because a patient needed an emergent…
I've no doubt the stress of your work is immense and the constant threat of litigation (and the expense of the insurance to fight it) can be overwhelming. As a recipient of multiple eye surgeries (I had strabismus as a kid), I am grateful for competent professionals like you. But I think you buried the lede. In the 2010s I owned a high-end bicycle and sporting good store. It was 7 days of 10+ hours a day most weeks.…
This. All of a sudden you go from 70k/year as a senior resident to 400k/year+ as a specialist with no financial education. Add on a decade worth of burnout (especially in training but ~60% in attending physicians) and living in relative poverty (70k/year - interest on $200k in debt doesn't leave much) and you end up with a group of mostly financially illiterate people making up for lost time and depression by overspending on luxuries with their new found income.
If you can believe it I worked with people who made > 1m and started having anxiety that they couldn't cover their mortgages when covid slow-downs resulted in a 25% pay cut.
Physicians are well paid, and I don't mean to suggest otherwise, but it's a really shitty path to earn that paycheck if money is all you want out of the career considering what you give up to get there (e.g. all of your 20s and spending 5 years working 24 hour shifts every 3-4 days and 2/4 weekends) and how stressful the job can be.
Obviously this is a generalization, and no one is forcing them to overspend, but I strongly suspect an element of this spending pattern is driven by unhappiness/regrets based on interactions with colleagues. Medical training is a lot of (very) delayed gratification until you get to the end and realize it is no where near as fulfilling/satisfying as promised.
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Difference is that in tech you can retire with 50. Few people who still work at 70 do so by choice.
That is BS, a big load of BS. There are a ton of people in tech that struggle, and reach 50 just to be nearly living on the street. This thread must have a lot of top FAANG's managers posting this morning.
In the literal sense I doubt that. If they are "nearly living on the street" then they seem to have issues handling money. Literally everybody else around then is making less and is not in the street either. Or are you saying that the lady behind the Walmart cashier or the pizza place guy or the girl moving the office lawn all make more than the tech guy? Hardly.
In the figurative sense, sure, some of them may not have a big detached single-family house with two big BMWs in front, but if anything below that is considered "nearly living on the street" then it's your perspective that needs some adjusting, not mine.
Re: The planning of U.S. physician shortages (2020)
#304Doctor shortage, pilot shortage Frustrating to see these problems of purely human design.
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#305What is a nutshell explanation of how healthcare got to the overall shortage state? (For the USA, but curious about other countries.) In the past 20 years, costs have shot up, doctors are seeing many more patients, and quality of care seems to have generally declined. Where have the resources gone? In the 1990s my GP had time to shoot the breeze for 20 minutes or more. Now I get a 5-minute diagnosis on the run, after…
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> soul-crushing tech salaries No one really gets those (statistically). I never did, despite being great at what I do. Basically a lottery system where the one lucky person who did the same exact problem two days ago wins.
I've found it's really about your negotiation and your confidence to ask for it. I've hired software engineers and frequently talk with others who do hiring, and I can confirm there's plenty of people who are making $120-140k who could've come in at $160-180k+ just by asking for it.
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I wouldn't say they're valued, the compensation is (with some nuance) based on a work-unit/fee-code which is the same for all of us. The academic component goes up for relevant physicians like it does for any professor-type role. Doctors work longer mostly because you can't fire them unless they're negligent/incompetent (for various reasons including that most are self-employed/contractors either individually or as a…
When it comes to value, when my wife interviews for a job (she’s a physician) they fly her out and spend a day taking her to see the sights, so they convince here how great the city is. Then they take her out to a fancy dinner and woo her some more. When I interview at a new job as a very senior engineer (and relatively well known I in my area), I get to jump through 7 rounds of interviews where someone asks me the e…
Interesting, are these in underserved areas? I just went through interviewing for a new job and despite being in an in-demand subspecialty with desperate employers the most I got was a dinner after the 2nd round interview but no one covered my travel. Do you mind if I ask what kind of physician she is? I clearly picked incorrectly.
> When I interview at a new job as a very senior engineer (and relatively well known I in my area), I get to jump through 7 rounds of interviews where someone asks me the equivalent of medschool exam questions.
> If I’m lucky my connections might let me whittle the interview rounds down to 5.
Why do you think that's the case? Is it a compensation issue or is there age-ism/an assumption that only a 25 y/o engineer can be "10x". I periodically see posts about the challenges facing older developers on HN but I didn't last long enough in tech to understand it.
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Very few people in private industry have access to fixed benefit plans (other than social security). Most everyone has fixed contribution plans: 401(k) [or 403(b) for education/non-profit].
Sorry I invented the term fixed benefit to be in opposition to defined benefit. What I meant was defined contribution. Which was my point physicians generally have access to the same plans as other industries.
Defined contribution everyone would have understood to be in opposition of defined benefit.
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The job security issue is huge. Many of my tech and finance friends in their early 50's are getting pushed out of their jobs, while my physician friends in their 60's can keep their career as long as they want. A family member recently visited a dr. in his late 70's.
A 50 year old physician or lawyer, if they are good, is at the absolute top of their profession and can 90% expect work another ten or twenty or more years still earning top dollar. A 50 year old non-management programmer? Look forward to having 23 year olds asking if you know what an array is for the rest of your work life.
Fuck. That made anxious. I am close to that age.
Also, my middle manager friends are having much harder time finding a job than programmer types. Don't know if its just them or if its a trend.
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The job security issue is huge. Many of my tech and finance friends in their early 50's are getting pushed out of their jobs, while my physician friends in their 60's can keep their career as long as they want. A family member recently visited a dr. in his late 70's.
It's interesting that places value seniority and experience so much more in medicine vs tech. Things change daily in both fields--new procedures, new findings--yet tech seems to have far more ageism. Why is an older doctor so much more valuable than an older developer?
This is not true ?