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Re: Ubuntu for Android

#51

Post by j05h »

bambax wrote: post #42
bguthrie wrote: post #17

This, or something like it, is the future: the computing device is portable, and adapts itself to the forms of input available. There's no reason why your display should have to be permanently attached to the device that drives it, and increasingly, it won't be. I don't know what the implications are for Ubuntu or Android. But genuine support for a first-class computing experience is one of the few things that would…

> This, or something like it, is the future: the computing device is portable, and adapts itself to the forms of input available Maybe it is, but it's not the future I'd like best. I would like to have a desktop in the cloud, and data in the cloud, and nothing in my pocket; nothing to lose or break or have to make sure it still has juice. When I get somewhere to work (a client's, a café, a friend's, etc.), I log in t…

Control, security, trust. Even if I got rid of all other computers, I'd still have a phone.

More and more I want to fully control my data on my terms. Maybe I'd be fine paying a service (linode?) to host my fully encrypted data in the cloud, but Google? Facebook? No thanks.

Re: Ubuntu for Android

#52

Post by wavephorm »

cpeterso wrote: post #47
bguthrie wrote: post #17

This, or something like it, is the future: the computing device is portable, and adapts itself to the forms of input available. There's no reason why your display should have to be permanently attached to the device that drives it, and increasingly, it won't be. I don't know what the implications are for Ubuntu or Android. But genuine support for a first-class computing experience is one of the few things that would…

Desktop PCs will always outperform portable devices. I think future docking stations will include both a big display and a big processor. When you dock your phone, your phone's apps will be running on the dock's fast processor while accessing your personal data off the phone. When you undock your phone, your running apps will seamlessly migrate to the phone's processor(s). This will be extremely asymmetric multiproce…

That's kinda the same as saying Mini-Computers will always outperform Desktop PC's.

The general trend of hardware is that it gets smaller, faster, and more efficient simultaneously. It is highly likely within 10 years you'll be walking around with a smartphone more than 10 times as powerful than the fastest 16-core desktop PC you can buy today, and possibly desktop PC's won't even be sold by then because there won't be any need for them.

Re: Ubuntu for Android

#53

Post by Lewisham »

hollerith wrote: post #39
xpaulbettsx wrote: post #31

If Microsoft was smart, this would be exactly how their Win8 tablets should work - plug it into a dock and it turns into a Desktop PC. Ubuntu and Microsoft are in an awesome place here that Apple is going to miss out on.

I don't get it: what advantage do they have over Apple here?

Because Apple had said multiple times that they fundamentally don't believe in a one device world. Tablets are tablets, desktops are desktops. Mixing the two bastardizes both.

Microsoft doesn't agree, and Win8 is a hybrid that supports both interactions. Ubuntu is showing it will do the same.

Personally, I think Apple are seriously short-sighted in their approach. The other possibility I they are being very long sighted and waiting for the desktops' inevitable death in the consumer market. However, they've shown nothing that indicates they know how Mum and Dad are going to write their Christmas letters, or edit that important work document that has to get done tonight but they're home sick.

Re: Ubuntu for Android

#54

Post by [deleted] »

hollerith wrote: post #39
xpaulbettsx wrote: post #31

If Microsoft was smart, this would be exactly how their Win8 tablets should work - plug it into a dock and it turns into a Desktop PC. Ubuntu and Microsoft are in an awesome place here that Apple is going to miss out on.

I don't get it: what advantage do they have over Apple here?

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Re: Ubuntu for Android

#55

Post by freehunter »

mrb wrote: post #43

You could push the ease-of-use even further with wireless HDMI, A2DP, and Bluetooth HIDs. Imagine: sit at a desk, without your phone even leaving your pocket. The wireless HDMI monitor, Bluetooth keyboard, and Bluetooth A2DP speakers automatically pair up with your phone. You just start using the device, eg. show a video to your friends, or start working. Stand up and leave. The phone unpairs itself from the monitor/…

But with all that running, you won't be working for longer than an hour or two. I really like the Palm/HP Touchstone charger, and I wish wireless charging would take off. It'd be nice to just sit in my cube while all my devices charge in a 3' radius of my desk.

Why are there no wireless-charging mice?

Re: Ubuntu for Android

#56

Post by mrb »

freehunter wrote: post #55
mrb wrote: post #43

You could push the ease-of-use even further with wireless HDMI, A2DP, and Bluetooth HIDs. Imagine: sit at a desk, without your phone even leaving your pocket. The wireless HDMI monitor, Bluetooth keyboard, and Bluetooth A2DP speakers automatically pair up with your phone. You just start using the device, eg. show a video to your friends, or start working. Stand up and leave. The phone unpairs itself from the monitor/…

But with all that running, you won't be working for longer than an hour or two. I really like the Palm/HP Touchstone charger, and I wish wireless charging would take off. It'd be nice to just sit in my cube while all my devices charge in a 3' radius of my desk. Why are there no wireless-charging mice?

True. Wireless HDMI is currently too power hungry for cellphones.

Re: Ubuntu for Android

#57

Post by asdfpoiu »

cpeterso wrote: post #47
bguthrie wrote: post #17

This, or something like it, is the future: the computing device is portable, and adapts itself to the forms of input available. There's no reason why your display should have to be permanently attached to the device that drives it, and increasingly, it won't be. I don't know what the implications are for Ubuntu or Android. But genuine support for a first-class computing experience is one of the few things that would…

Desktop PCs will always outperform portable devices. I think future docking stations will include both a big display and a big processor. When you dock your phone, your phone's apps will be running on the dock's fast processor while accessing your personal data off the phone. When you undock your phone, your running apps will seamlessly migrate to the phone's processor(s). This will be extremely asymmetric multiproce…

You might be right that desktops will always outperform portable devices (even though the gap is certainly narrowing), but mobile phones used this way are so convenient that the tradeoff is worth it.

Re: Ubuntu for Android

#58

Post by etomer »

aeontech wrote: post #35
stroboskop wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I see, this is the text of reference: Newer multi-core processors are up to the job, and Ubuntu is the killer app for that hot hardware. It’s the must-have feature for late-2012 high-end Android phones. The quote itself is outside the text body and refers to the text body. For a marketing text like this, I don't think that kind of quoting is difficult to understand or swallow.

Yup, it's a pull quote.

Ya.

Re: Ubuntu for Android

#59

Post by asdfpoiu »

Lewisham wrote: post #53
hollerith wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it: what advantage do they have over Apple here?

Because Apple had said multiple times that they fundamentally don't believe in a one device world. Tablets are tablets, desktops are desktops. Mixing the two bastardizes both. Microsoft doesn't agree, and Win8 is a hybrid that supports both interactions. Ubuntu is showing it will do the same. Personally, I think Apple are seriously short-sighted in their approach. The other possibility I they are being very long sigh…

They say that, but with all the device consolidation features (iCloud, syncing, unified messages, launchpad, dock with no indicator lights, automatic process management), they are playing out a different tune.

I think Apple is aware of this trend, and is going to eventually act on it.

I still hope Ubuntu does it well first, because I'd love to have an affordable OSS solution.

Re: Ubuntu for Android

#60

Post by bryanlarsen »

wavephorm wrote: post #52
cpeterso wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Desktop PCs will always outperform portable devices. I think future docking stations will include both a big display and a big processor. When you dock your phone, your phone's apps will be running on the dock's fast processor while accessing your personal data off the phone. When you undock your phone, your running apps will seamlessly migrate to the phone's processor(s). This will be extremely asymmetric multiproce…

That's kinda the same as saying Mini-Computers will always outperform Desktop PC's. The general trend of hardware is that it gets smaller, faster, and more efficient simultaneously. It is highly likely within 10 years you'll be walking around with a smartphone more than 10 times as powerful than the fastest 16-core desktop PC you can buy today, and possibly desktop PC's won't even be sold by then because there won't…

If that's a bet, I'll take it. You'll still be able to buy desktop computers in 10 years. They might not be common, cheap or easy to find, but you'll be able to buy them. IBM still makes lots of money selling mainframes, and HP still makes and sells OpenVMS minicomputers.
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