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Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by ben_w »

cainxinth wrote: post #175
ben_w wrote: post #114

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Europe got lucky with the cold, but for (many) other aspects has been very effective at diversifying very quickly away from Russian supply. Sure, even the poorest countries in the EU are significantly richer than Brazil, but it's not like we didn't get significant food price inflation either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

Lucky? More like expected. The ten hottest years ever recorded all occurred in the last ten years. I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict next winter will also be unseasonably mild in Europe… and everywhere else.

It was still warmer than expected. Look at how prices shot up in advance, before declining when it became clear quite how slowly the stockpiled resources would be consumed.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by walthamstow »

rcarr wrote: post #162
walthamstow wrote: post #95

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I think your first paragraph describes the EU/EEA too, or at least it did when Poland et al joined in 2004. Germany and France (and the UK at the time) dominate. Poor nations like Poland and Greece with rich ones like Norway. Conservative countries like Hungary alongside progressive social democracies like France and Sweden.

People have got to stop calling Poland a poor country. It’s on track to overtake the UK in terms of quality of life in the middle of the decade.

Read the comment again please. I am talking about 2004, you are talking about 2025.

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Post by cassianoleal »

gexla wrote: post #101
safety1st wrote: post #90

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It's perfectly possible to evaluate the other claims in the comment independently from this one. The behavior you're advocating (refusing to consider the rest of the comment because of one error) not only makes you look like a dick, it also makes you worse informed. Bad take dude

Maybe you're giving it a pass because it's a quick to read comment. If this is an essay or a book, I'm absolutely going to consider skipping it at the first major error. This is especially the case if the book is heavy on building a case which would need to be backed by facts (sources.) If the author isn't willing to include sources to back up claims which are passed as fact, then I'm not going to do the work myself.…

If you think all or even most comments on Internet forums have the same kind of due dilligence behind them as books and essays, you're in for a treat!

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by cassianoleal »

11235813213455 wrote: post #181
marcodiego wrote: post #26

There are a few things that would make Brazil a lot more stable economically (and even socially and politically) if we achieved self-sufficiency: Fossil fuels: Currently, Brazil is self-sufficient in oil, but we export petrol to buy back refined fuels (gasoline and diesel). If we were self-sufficient in fossil fuels we would be much more immune to inflation every time OPEC decides to reduce oil output. Wheat: We are…

I gope you guys are not going to copy USA & Europe in term of bread consumption, it's not worth! eat more vegetable, like peas, even quinoa, fruit, they're adapted to your climate and much more nutritive and healthy

Bread is and has always been a staple in Brazil. Quinoa is a fairly recent development over there, and is quite expensive. Definitely not adapted to Brazilian climates although it can be made to work. Wheat OTOH is very adapted and cheap.

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Post by rcarr »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #167
rcarr wrote: post #165

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Why do you throw the word socialism about as if it is exactly the same as communism? The Nordic nations are socialist democracies and they’re regarded as some of the best run and happiest places on earth, with a business friendly environment that allows for entrepreneurs to take risks because they know there is a social safety net to fall back on if it doesn’t work out. The left and right can be both right and wrong…

> Why do you throw the word socialism about as if it is exactly the same as communism? Because I don't respect them enough to even make the distinction. I feel bad even saying the words "communist" and "socialist". I really don't want to give any legitimacy to ideas that caused misery, famine, oppression, genocide every time they were put in practice anywhere. I want those ideas to literally fade from people's minds…

> So what you're telling me is there's supposedly socialist nations in Europe right now that allow businesses to accumulate capital. Doesn't make any sense.

Yes. You're welcome to put your HN contrarian hat on but that is the generally agreed upon consensus.

Left unchecked, free market capitalism turns into authoritarian feudalism which is pretty much what is happening around the world in Western nations right now. Left unchecked, socialism turns into communism and all the horrors that entails. Both are bad outcomes. When you are veering toward the extremes, you counter with policies from the opposing ideology. If not, you get a selfish, complacent and corrupt ruling class that ends up sliding into authoritarianism accompanied by "misery, famine, oppression and genocide" regardless of the ideological label you started out with.

It is a frequent occurrence for Conservative governments across the globe to temporarily nationalise companies and/or industries, often times for years, if the private sector have been found to run them into the ground. Case in point: the UK conservatives nationalised several banks in the financial crisis and recently nationalised a substantial amount (almost half) of the UK rail network. The stance you are subscribing to is an extreme one.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by rcarr »

walthamstow wrote: post #192
rcarr wrote: post #162

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People have got to stop calling Poland a poor country. It’s on track to overtake the UK in terms of quality of life in the middle of the decade.

Read the comment again please. I am talking about 2004, you are talking about 2025.

my bad

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by uoaei »

pelasaco wrote: post #180
uoaei wrote: post #9

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If Bolsonaro were still in charge I'd be concerned but Lula is an advocate of indigenous communities so I'm not as worried. There is still plenty of corruption and schemers who will poach land but they won't have a bright green light like they would have before Lula was elected.

LOL. Wake up dude. Lula and Bolsonaro are both different sides from the same coin. Lula just does his demagogy, while knowing the Parlament will block such laws: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/31/1179168180/brazil-indigenous-...

Faacinating. You've linked to an article that shows Lula is acting in accordance with Indigenous demands, and that the Senate is the one limiting their land rights. But then you say Lula is the problem. Sounds like unfounded scapegoating to me.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by vitorgrs »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #145
leonidasv wrote: post #88

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Brazil government runs a company called Conab that acts as a "buffer stock" for grains. It buys, stores and sells grains in large quantities in a continuos fashion, so the government can soften market fluctuations for those commodities over time.

That's fascinating. I've wondered for a while whether governments did that. Seems like a common sense precaution for preserving your country's food security.

In the latest 5-6 years the stock was basically zero-d. And the previous government even wanted to close CONAB. Now I believe they will return to stock commodity and stuff again, but there's a lot of pressure from agrobusiness to not stock again.

One of reason why food inflation in Brazil rise in the latest years is exactly because of CONAB stopped stocking it.

Even milk and peanut they stocked before.

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Post by uoaei »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #109
uoaei wrote: post #9

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If Bolsonaro were still in charge I'd be concerned but Lula is an advocate of indigenous communities so I'm not as worried. There is still plenty of corruption and schemers who will poach land but they won't have a bright green light like they would have before Lula was elected.

You should be more concerned now. Deforestation is a lot higher now with Lula in power. He's also making moves that sideline the environmental agenda. Ironic, isn't it?

Source? Sibling comment has an article that says the opposite. And anyway, the Amazon is huge so land poachers are hard to detect and catch in real time. It's much more likely that poachers feel a time crunch that wasn't as tight under Bolsonaro since he gave them free rein.

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Post by Georgelemental »

SamBam wrote: post #43
randomdata wrote: post #34

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> Nevertheless, we still need imported wheat. Ukraine war and dollar variations literary affect our bread. This would happen imports or not. So long as wheat exports are allowed, the local price will settle on the world price as the product is able to flow to the highest bidder. An event like the Ukraine war will impact someone and that will drive the world price up.

Only under a perfectly free market system. A great many countries have export controls in place specifically for wheat and other vital commodities. States can also set price ceilings and floors. The US, for instance, passed the temporary Wheat Price Guarantee Act during WWI.

Also, even a perfectly free market has shipping costs.
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