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Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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Post by agentgumshoe »

trololo01001 wrote: post #78
agentgumshoe wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no agreements had previously been made then? https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017... I mean, I'm not supporting Russia's actions here, I'm saying the US (mainly) are just a bad an actor. They're essentially fighting a war with Russia (as their warmongers and military complex love to tell their shareholders about), Ukraine is just the pawn in the middle. I should have said 'towards' the bord…

You are twisting the history. It was russia that attacked Ukraine in 2014 and occupied Crimea and half of Donetsk and Luhansk regions without any slightest provocation from Ukraine side. 2022 invasion is merely an episode in this war that goes for 9 years already.

Without the slightest provocation huh?

It would be nice if history was so black and white, wouldn't it?

Ukraine was full of conflict between pro Russia and pro-EU well before that war. It was a complicated political environment.

The invasion was not, and never is, justified, but let's not pretend Putin woke up one day, threw a dart at the dartboard and decided to invade that place.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#122

Post by manuelabeledo »

codedokode wrote: post #90
manuelabeledo wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reads more like an excuse than the actual reason. Endpoint protection solutions can be installed in iOS devices. The device could also be wiped clean, eliminating the malware. The latter should not be much of an issue in any serious organization. If any executive keeps critical data in a phone, that is already an issue. The former is a hassle, but I have had to use locked down iPhones before, and the tradeoffs are…

> Endpoint protection solutions can be installed in iOS devices. How does "endpoint protection solution" protect from 0-day exploits? I guess it can do that only in marketing materials, not in reality.

It could definitely help detect exfiltration, for instance.

This malware was running and spreading for years. It is actually surprising that it took a security company like Kaspersky so long to detect it.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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Post by manuelabeledo »

psychphysic wrote: post #77
manuelabeledo wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reads more like an excuse than the actual reason. Endpoint protection solutions can be installed in iOS devices. The device could also be wiped clean, eliminating the malware. The latter should not be much of an issue in any serious organization. If any executive keeps critical data in a phone, that is already an issue. The former is a hassle, but I have had to use locked down iPhones before, and the tradeoffs are…

I'm very happy Kaspersky has. And that their released a tool they believe can detect past and present infection with the Triangulation Trojan. I've not idea to what extent it's possible to have a durable trojan on iOS (probably only the makers of such trojans do know). It's absurd to say a company should not blow the whistle on a sophisticated attack when that companys job is just that!

> It's absurd to say a company should not blow the whistle on a sophisticated attack when that companys job is just that!

They should definitely do it.

They should also acknowledge that they did a shoddy job. They let the malware run unchecked for several years. It is clear that the safeguards they had in place did not work, not for protection, but especially for detection.

Instead, they chose to boost the image of their own products and bash a third party vendor with a questionable reasoning.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#124

Post by _kbh_ »

agentgumshoe wrote: post #72
lexek wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike you, I actually lived in Russia and I can tell with 100% certainty that it's a bs narrative that was used to build up Putin support based on confrontation with the "west".

So no agreements had previously been made then? https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017... I mean, I'm not supporting Russia's actions here, I'm saying the US (mainly) are just a bad an actor. They're essentially fighting a war with Russia (as their warmongers and military complex love to tell their shareholders about), Ukraine is just the pawn in the middle. I should have said 'towards' the bord…

> So no agreements had previously been made then?

Nope.

Gorbachov himself said that no such agreements were ever made.

> https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017...

Impressions are not agreements, here's the reality of the matter from the president of the Soviet Union at the time himself.

> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-...

>> “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#125

Post by prox »

dmix wrote: post #75
isx726552 wrote: post #70

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There is a switch in the Settings app to disable iMessage and just use SMS. This is an option for the built in messaging app, no need to “swap” or install another app.

So basically still using iMessage software just for SMS? I guess this could provide some better sense of security given the parsers are the main issue.

No the “message” app just becomes an sms texting app. I think it’s indicated by a color change.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#126

Post by _kbh_ »

agentgumshoe wrote: post #121
trololo01001 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are twisting the history. It was russia that attacked Ukraine in 2014 and occupied Crimea and half of Donetsk and Luhansk regions without any slightest provocation from Ukraine side. 2022 invasion is merely an episode in this war that goes for 9 years already.

Without the slightest provocation huh? It would be nice if history was so black and white, wouldn't it? Ukraine was full of conflict between pro Russia and pro-EU well before that war. It was a complicated political environment. The invasion was not, and never is, justified, but let's not pretend Putin woke up one day, threw a dart at the dartboard and decided to invade that place.

> Without the slightest provocation huh?

This provoked Russia to invade how?.

> It would be nice if history was so black and white, wouldn't it?

Good thing that history is that black and white this time, this is as black and white as WW2.

> The invasion was not, and never is, justified, but let's not pretend Putin woke up one day, threw a dart at the dartboard and decided to invade that place.

Then what happened?.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#127

Post by SenHeng »

agentgumshoe wrote: post #120
chrysler wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> So no agreements had previously been made then? Not according to direct participants like the foreign minister of the USSR. https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/interview-with-e... Moreover, NATO and Russia signed a treaty greenlighting NATO enlargement before any official talks with former Warsaw Pact countries started, so whatever was allegedly said or heard prior to that is irrelevant anyway. >> I'm not…

I don't put much credence in an interview where the guy just says "I know nussink" vs the documented evidence that it did. No I'm not supporting Russia here, I'm saying they were not just acting "out of nowhere," they are playing the same geopolitical war games (and now actual war), as the US is, but the US are pretending they're absolutely the good guys (i.e. pretending they want peace) while shovelling coal into th…

And that is the wrong question to ask. It is not a binary option. It's not even a scale. It is dependent on the circumstances of the moment. Right now, who is the one invading another country?

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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Post by agentgumshoe »

SenHeng wrote: post #127
agentgumshoe wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't put much credence in an interview where the guy just says "I know nussink" vs the documented evidence that it did. No I'm not supporting Russia here, I'm saying they were not just acting "out of nowhere," they are playing the same geopolitical war games (and now actual war), as the US is, but the US are pretending they're absolutely the good guys (i.e. pretending they want peace) while shovelling coal into th…

And that is the wrong question to ask. It is not a binary option. It's not even a scale. It is dependent on the circumstances of the moment. Right now, who is the one invading another country?

Israel?

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#129

Post by f6v »

_kbh_ wrote: post #126
agentgumshoe wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without the slightest provocation huh? It would be nice if history was so black and white, wouldn't it? Ukraine was full of conflict between pro Russia and pro-EU well before that war. It was a complicated political environment. The invasion was not, and never is, justified, but let's not pretend Putin woke up one day, threw a dart at the dartboard and decided to invade that place.

> Without the slightest provocation huh? This provoked Russia to invade how?. > It would be nice if history was so black and white, wouldn't it? Good thing that history is that black and white this time, this is as black and white as WW2. > The invasion was not, and never is, justified, but let's not pretend Putin woke up one day, threw a dart at the dartboard and decided to invade that place. Then what happened?.

> Then what happened?.

I bet if I asked you why WW1 started you’d say it’s because a Serb assassinated an Austrian.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#130

Post by f6v »

chrysler wrote: post #82
agentgumshoe wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no agreements had previously been made then? https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017... I mean, I'm not supporting Russia's actions here, I'm saying the US (mainly) are just a bad an actor. They're essentially fighting a war with Russia (as their warmongers and military complex love to tell their shareholders about), Ukraine is just the pawn in the middle. I should have said 'towards' the bord…

>> So no agreements had previously been made then? Not according to direct participants like the foreign minister of the USSR. https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/interview-with-e... Moreover, NATO and Russia signed a treaty greenlighting NATO enlargement before any official talks with former Warsaw Pact countries started, so whatever was allegedly said or heard prior to that is irrelevant anyway. >> I'm not…

You’re saying this as if moving the NATO border towards Russia wasn’t going to have any consequences. Everyone realized this and willfully chose the path of confrontation. NATO was created against USSR and Russia is a USSR successor.
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