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Sadly, the blueprint of what caused the atrocities of ww2 is still there, alive and well.
The Nuremberg Trials weren't perfect. One notable example was Albert Speer, Hitler's Architect and part of his inner circle who got away with a 20 year sentence (before moving to London where he died years later) by claiming to not know anything about the Final Solution. He got away with this by basically being a "gentleman" without their being a smoking gun. It was a classic "he's one of us". But Nuremberg was very…
But Nuremberg was very successful in de-Nazifying the country. Denazification was an entirely different process. The Nuremberg trials were for the very top leaders (and only a handful). The apparatus of the Nazi government never went to trial, they went through a Denazification process that was abandoned pretty quickly. There are numerous examples of relatively high level Nazi's being a part of the new German governm…
We just differ on what "de-Nazification" means. It's partly about cutting the head off the snake but also making a public spectacle of it, laying Germany's war crimes bare for all the world to see, especially ordinary Germans. The Nuremberg Trials weren't solely responsible for this but they provided a key focal point.
Imagine if we'd cut the head off the Confederate snake in the same way.
Sadly, the blueprint of what caused the atrocities of ww2 is still there, alive and well.
This is so true, we humans are the worst. Those who may hate CRT here in the states about slavery are really going to be upset when the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan discussions filter down to the state political levels.
The Nuremberg Trials were fascinating. While I think many of the individuals leading the tribunal were trying to do a good job in the tradition of their respective nations' legal frameworks, the victorious allies could really not see eye to eye on what was a fair measure of retribution, rehabilitation, deterrence, etc. So my take is that largely all legal norms were discarded or violated, and the tribunal had to reac…
And then most of them were paroled less than half way through their sentences.
The Nuremberg Trials weren't perfect. One notable example was Albert Speer, Hitler's Architect and part of his inner circle who got away with a 20 year sentence (before moving to London where he died years later) by claiming to not know anything about the Final Solution. He got away with this by basically being a "gentleman" without their being a smoking gun. It was a classic "he's one of us". But Nuremberg was very…
The Nuremberg Trials were fascinating. While I think many of the individuals leading the tribunal were trying to do a good job in the tradition of their respective nations' legal frameworks, the victorious allies could really not see eye to eye on what was a fair measure of retribution, rehabilitation, deterrence, etc. So my take is that largely all legal norms were discarded or violated, and the tribunal had to reac…
And yet, all the sentences were laughably short. Organizing the worst mass slaughter in human history got most of its architects and functionaries less time than driving a getaway car for a convenience store robbery in Florida would. And then most of them were paroled less than half way through their sentences.
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And yet, all the sentences were laughably short. Organizing the worst mass slaughter in human history got most of its architects and functionaries less time than driving a getaway car for a convenience store robbery in Florida would. And then most of them were paroled less than half way through their sentences.
People who plead guilty and pledged loyalty to the new government were given light sentences. People who plead innocent were executed. The results could hardly be called inexplicable.
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And yet, all the sentences were laughably short. Organizing the worst mass slaughter in human history got most of its architects and functionaries less time than driving a getaway car for a convenience store robbery in Florida would. And then most of them were paroled less than half way through their sentences.
People who plead guilty and pledged loyalty to the new government were given light sentences. People who plead innocent were executed. The results could hardly be called inexplicable.
Most of them weren't even tried.
And of those that were, most of the ones who fought the charges weren't convicted, or were convicted of far lesser charges. Only a few got death sentences.
... For instance, the industrialists that bankrolled the Nazis, ran their factories with slave labour, and made posion gas for exterminating Jews and other victims of fascism got 2 to 7 years, with most of them being acquitted.
Of the four death sentences handed out in the SS trials, only one was actually carried out. None of them, including the people who got life sentences actually served more than 10 years!
If this is victor's justice, the victors did a shit job of actually punishing the losers.
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Unfortunately, that kills all the humans. The best we can do is prune it when it’s getting out of control.
Perhaps writing a book about hate (i.e.: how some people should be bred out of the population) that sets very hateful events in motion is a good criteria to establish when someone deserves criticism.
No one had any excuses, frankly.