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Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by philipkglass »

29athrowaway wrote: post #11

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Stanford has renamed campus spaces to stop honoring David Starr Jordan because of his eugenics advocacy and other bigoted views:

https://news.stanford.edu/2020/10/07/jordan-agassiz/

You can read the report on him, commissioned and published by Stanford, that went into making this decision:

"Reports Of The Advisory Committee On Renaming Jordan Hall And Removing The Statue Of Louis Agassiz"

https://campusnames.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/14...

Stanford has already acknowledged the ugly views of its founder and stopped honoring him. Posting a battle-cry like this on a story that is only tangentially about the history of Stanford seems likely to hijack discussion.

Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by rajin444 »

sillywalk wrote: post #36
eschulz wrote: post #10

The Nuremberg Trials were fascinating. While I think many of the individuals leading the tribunal were trying to do a good job in the tradition of their respective nations' legal frameworks, the victorious allies could really not see eye to eye on what was a fair measure of retribution, rehabilitation, deterrence, etc. So my take is that largely all legal norms were discarded or violated, and the tribunal had to reac…

Not to mention all the major powers had committed similar atrocities in their own pasts, and they all were racing to collect Nazi/Japanese scientists.

Weren't they in the process of committing some as these trials were ongoing? I don't think there's a reliable number, but certainly 6 figure and likely 7 figure death tolls for ethnic Germans due to postwar resettlements etc.

Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by DirectorKrennic »

NoRelToEmber wrote: post #19

They had also accepted Soviet insistence that only Axis aggression was covered by the new court - otherwise the Soviet authorities would have been in the dock as well for carving up Poland in 1939 and attacking Finland three months later. - http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/20...

Other interesting parts.

> Everyone in the court was issued with headphones to allow them to hear the charges being read in their native language, but the accused showed little interest.

They were probably already resigned to the idea that they would be executed and thought there was little point in trying to pay attention and defend themselves. Most of them wished they were already dead.

> The British Government wanted to shoot the leaders once they were caught and formally identified - but the Soviet Union and US favoured a legal process.

It's ironic how the British wanted to resort to such uncivilized methods as summary execution without trial, while the Soviet preferred a legal path.

Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #25
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #2

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> Wow we sure threw that one out the window with the covid 19 vaccine didn't we? Wow amazing how a post about Nazis on trial immediately surfaces people who had no decency to take a jab to literally help the world fight a global deadly threat.

Did you read my post? I did take the jab, I didn’t have a choice. It was either that or get fired, even though I was a 100% remote employee.

Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by 29athrowaway »

philipkglass wrote: post #41
29athrowaway wrote: post #11

[flagged]

Stanford has renamed campus spaces to stop honoring David Starr Jordan because of his eugenics advocacy and other bigoted views: https://news.stanford.edu/2020/10/07/jordan-agassiz/ You can read the report on him, commissioned and published by Stanford, that went into making this decision: "Reports Of The Advisory Committee On Renaming Jordan Hall And Removing The Statue Of Louis Agassiz" https://campusnames.stanford…

So some random hall was renamed and now everything is good. History is fixed and all damage is undone. Phew, good to know.

Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by Animats »

dmix wrote: post #12
eschulz wrote: post #10

The Nuremberg Trials were fascinating. While I think many of the individuals leading the tribunal were trying to do a good job in the tradition of their respective nations' legal frameworks, the victorious allies could really not see eye to eye on what was a fair measure of retribution, rehabilitation, deterrence, etc. So my take is that largely all legal norms were discarded or violated, and the tribunal had to reac…

Are there any good documentaries or books that dig into this without getting to academic?

The movie "Judgment at Nuremberg" (1961) is the classic summary. It's a docu-drama, but reasonably accurate. All the big stars of the day, from Spencer Tracy to Judy Garland. William Shatner has a minor role.

Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by 29athrowaway »

lazide wrote: post #39
29athrowaway wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we want to kill the tree of hate, we have to kill the roots too.

Unfortunately, that kills all the humans. The best we can do is prune it when it’s getting out of control.

Perhaps writing a book about hate (i.e.: how some people should be bred out of the population) that sets very hateful events in motion is a good criteria to establish when someone deserves criticism.

Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

cyberax wrote: post #31
phillc73 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some countries vaccination was planned to not be voluntary. This was the case in Austria, with a government stipulated mandate.[1] The situation changed rapidly, but just pointing out that vaccination against COVID was not always planned to be voluntary, especially as the OP mentioned his employer was mandating it. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60155635

> employer was mandating it. You can quit your job if you want to stay infectious. There's absolutely nothing controversial in requiring vaccinations as a condition for employment.

Amazing what you can accomplish by threatening someone’s livelihood in the middle of a pandemic. No coercion at all, right?

Re: Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, 1945-46

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Post by dan-robertson »

DirectorKrennic wrote: post #43
NoRelToEmber wrote: post #19

They had also accepted Soviet insistence that only Axis aggression was covered by the new court - otherwise the Soviet authorities would have been in the dock as well for carving up Poland in 1939 and attacking Finland three months later. - http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/20...

Other interesting parts. > Everyone in the court was issued with headphones to allow them to hear the charges being read in their native language, but the accused showed little interest. They were probably already resigned to the idea that they would be executed and thought there was little point in trying to pay attention and defend themselves. Most of them wished they were already dead. > The British Government wan…

Is it actually ironic? Weren’t the soviets well-known for show trials? That is, were they arguing for a legal process or a legitimising one? I don’t know the reason for the British preference but I do feel there are arguments for it, e.g. if such a tribunal was expected to have predetermined results, why associate your legitimate legal system with it.
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