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The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by rufus_foreman »

vxNsr wrote: post #142
rtsil wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use them (and masks). I haven't had a cold, the flu or any of the usual seasonal sicknesses in 3 years, and this spring my pollen allergy was nowhere to be seen. My quality of life is significantly better ever since I started using them. Washing my hands for 30 seconds at least also helps.

I had a lot of coworkers say this all the time and yet they would still call in sick from time to time…there’s a lot of confirmation bias that makes people blind to their own experiences.

Are you allowed to call in "don't particularly feel like working today"?

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

gordian-mind wrote: post #231
zvmaz wrote: post #225

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> The obvious fearmongering and irrationality, especially from so-called "experts", was quite intense and prolific in Canada, too. So much death and suffering and bereavement and sorrow the scale of which I have never witnessed in my entire life and I still read comments like these. Baffling! A more serious take: excess deaths worldwide put us at 20+ millions deaths [1]. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/c…

This is bogus data, they took the officially reported numbers -- which were insane because they reported 'covid deaths' without taking into account comorbidities --, and quadrupled them for 'reasons'. > So much death and suffering and bereavement and sorrow the scale of which I have never witnessed in my entire life and I still read comments like these. Baffling! You should be ashamed of yourself for this hyperbole,…

You can clearly look at year-over-year statistics and see the increased death count. What do you think caused it? An increase in eye-sight-related car accidents? All the people complaining about 'comorbidities' don't understand how cause of death is reported. When someone has Cancer, but dies from Pneumonia, should they list Cancer or the Pneumonia? All diseases have some 'comorbidities'. But if they didn't have Covid they would be alive. So Shame on you.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by peteradio »

Raidion wrote: post #245
emodendroket wrote: post #204

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As a point of clarification, were they effective at "killing" the virus or just mechanically removing it from one's hands?

It does kill it because the soap breaks up fats in the virus.

A virus doesn't contain fats only 1s and 0s, FYI.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by eastbound »

fknorangesite wrote: post #176
eastbound wrote: post #127

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> clearly an oversimplification for people who are only willing to read 4 words It’s a lie. There are no excuses. It’s false.

People can be wrong without lying.

Authority sources should shut up if they don’t know.

You cannot say “Dreyfus is guilty” if you haven’t studied the subject. If an institution has credit, it’s because they have a proven track of not saying total bullshit.

The same for the president of France who said “Please go to the theaters to fight against the Covid”. He knew it was contagious, so he was giving the order to people to infect themselves, wrapped in a lie.

If they can say the opposite of truth, without having conducted proper studies and acknowledged what was obvious to everyone, then they are directly responsible for harming the public.

The WHO should be dissoluted.

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Post by peteradio »

jethro_tell wrote: post #254
marcosdumay wrote: post #232

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> That right there could have changed the vector of this whole thing. Keep in mind the disease was already all over the world when it was discovered.

It was but it became more mask resistant over time. Putting on masks in Jan 2020 could have made a huge difference instead of waiting until mid year to say mask, and then say mask with an n95. Obviously, there's a preparedness issue which is probably the base root of that issue, but early enthusiastic masking instead of trying to send all the construction workers home probably would have gone a lot farther.

> It was but it became more mask resistant over time.

Wut

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #31

In all of these posts there is a strong 'what were they thinking' reaction. - remember hindsight. At the time, how were they supposed to know, by looking into their crystal ball? It was a fast, dynamically changing situation, everyone was getting sick, who a the time could say 'yeah, people are dying, but YOLO, no need to sanitize your hands.' Lot of freaking armchair quarterbacks in the 'lets criticize the medical c…

CDC published how lethal it was in March 2020 and that it was basically identical to flu in terms of expected casualties.

I knew earlier than that. I considered buying a hazmat suit but realised it was a meme and settled for buying some masks etc in early 2020.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by wizee »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #262
gordian-mind wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is bogus data, they took the officially reported numbers -- which were insane because they reported 'covid deaths' without taking into account comorbidities --, and quadrupled them for 'reasons'. > So much death and suffering and bereavement and sorrow the scale of which I have never witnessed in my entire life and I still read comments like these. Baffling! You should be ashamed of yourself for this hyperbole,…

You can clearly look at year-over-year statistics and see the increased death count. What do you think caused it? An increase in eye-sight-related car accidents? All the people complaining about 'comorbidities' don't understand how cause of death is reported. When someone has Cancer, but dies from Pneumonia, should they list Cancer or the Pneumonia? All diseases have some 'comorbidities'. But if they didn't have Covi…

There were a lot of people avoiding medical treatment or diagnosis out of fear of Covid at hospitals and medical clinics, and this led to extensive delays in elective surgeries and delayed diagnosis of medical conditions such as cancer. Thus, fear of Covid resulted in numerous excess deaths. There were other factors too, like increased traffic deaths due to increased reckless driving due to emptier roads due to pandemic lockdowns.

It's also disingenuous to say that all deaths of people who had Covid were due to Covid. Many of them who caught Covid while in hospital for serious conditions would have died regardless of Covid.

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Post by JPKab »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #184
JPKab wrote: post #182

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> "BEFORE VACCINES, BEFORE masks, before much at all was known about how the novel coronavirus spread and whether it lived on surfaces (remember wiping down grocery bags with Lysol?)" There is a strong "what were they thinking" behind this because we found out very early on that this virus didn't spread on surfaces, by spring 2020. But the public health apparatus found that keeping people as fearful as possible (even…

Yo Triggered. Maybe spring 2021. Guess part of problem with any issue these days, half of what you say is true, the other half starts to sound like 'crazy old guy screaming at the wind'. Yes, there was some group hysteria, no there wasn't a group intent on 'scaring' the population to 'gain control'. Yes, requiring a mask out on a nature trail is little nutz, but also there were some going the other way 'I can cough o…

I didn't say "gain control". You said that and put it in quotes.

Public health leaders, such as Debbie Birx, believed that the ends justified the means, and knowingly obfuscated the risk stratification by age in a cynical effort to get younger people to comply with lockdowns out of self preservation.

She wrote about this in her book, and also wrote that she and her colleagues KNEW that "2 weeks to flatten the curve" was a white lie, because otherwise the public would never have agreed to lockdowns in the first place.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by JPKab »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #262
gordian-mind wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is bogus data, they took the officially reported numbers -- which were insane because they reported 'covid deaths' without taking into account comorbidities --, and quadrupled them for 'reasons'. > So much death and suffering and bereavement and sorrow the scale of which I have never witnessed in my entire life and I still read comments like these. Baffling! You should be ashamed of yourself for this hyperbole,…

You can clearly look at year-over-year statistics and see the increased death count. What do you think caused it? An increase in eye-sight-related car accidents? All the people complaining about 'comorbidities' don't understand how cause of death is reported. When someone has Cancer, but dies from Pneumonia, should they list Cancer or the Pneumonia? All diseases have some 'comorbidities'. But if they didn't have Covi…

Sweden has the lowest excess deaths count in the western world. They didn't lock down. That's not a coincidence.

Lockdowns increased social dysfunction, and this is the root of excess deaths. Funny how you also aren't mentioning the education disaster that the hysterical, statistically illiterate cowards who closed schools caused. Schools in EU and Asia were open. Just the North American fools closed theirs.

Btw, I know many people who blame excess deaths on the mRNA vaccines. They have the same data that you do for your theory of covid infection causing excess deaths: correlation and nothing else.

Drug overdoses are way up. Crime is up. Loneliness and depression and mental illness are at all time highs.

The vast majority of covid deaths were senior citizens. The vast majority of excess deaths happening now are working age people. And cowards who became irrational won't admit this because it's too painful for them to admit their complicity.

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Post by MyHypatia »

accoil wrote: post #224
vxNsr wrote: post #121

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Just curious to understand how does a mask over your mouth keep the sun off of your face (presumably the eyes)?

Could be to stop sunburn. Hat with brim protects the top half, and keeps it out of the eyes. Mask protects the lower half.

Yep, I wear a hat and a mask. Keeps the sun off of most of my face.

Sometimes I forget the hat or the mask and then I just wear one.

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