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The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

ballenf wrote: post #193
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yo Triggered. Maybe spring 2021. Guess part of problem with any issue these days, half of what you say is true, the other half starts to sound like 'crazy old guy screaming at the wind'. Yes, there was some group hysteria, no there wasn't a group intent on 'scaring' the population to 'gain control'. Yes, requiring a mask out on a nature trail is little nutz, but also there were some going the other way 'I can cough o…

Maybe a problem less controversial was the absence of trusted public health figures making concerted efforts to calm fears. And those that did try were belittled, minimized and castigated. They were the ones labeled as dangerous. Which sometimes drove them to perceive and describe a conspiracy of pro-fear institutions and actors, undermining their believability further than just the smearing of their status.

I remember it differently. The medical community was crying out that we needed to take action, and the administration downplayed it and delayed. It was opposite, those that spoke up to do something were squashed in favor of those saying 'its just a cold, suck it up'. The government didn't do anything until private companies started realizing something had to be done, namely the NBA. Nothing was moving until the NBA cancelled the season, then suddenly it was taken more seriously.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

crazygringo wrote: post #164

> Several fires involving large amounts of unsellable hand sanitizer have broken out across the country in the past year, from Dallas to downtown Los Angeles. It's not quite clear why there have been so many fires, especially when we've been making and storing and shipping hand sanitizer in warehouses for a long time. Is it: 1) Something about these new companies wasn't following safety protocols, because they were n…

Of course it will be insurance fraud in most cases. The public pays the bill.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by lesuorac »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #180
psychlops wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was fast and dynamic only because the rulebook was thrown out and created on the fly. There was precedent and strategy. Hindsight is being accurately used to review what happened and correctly criticize. The same would happen in the technical community if there were a breach and procedures were ignored and made up based on hunches. The medical community does not get a pass.

I think a lot of people knew how to respond, its just they were fired. :: Trump administration’s decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation. Trump’s elimination of the office suggested, along with his proposed budget cuts for the CDC, that he did not see the threat of pandemics in the same way…

I would like them to go on the record on if they weren't fired what they would've done differently.

In hindsight, we had vaccines created and in testing 5 days [1] after the WHO called that virus a pandemic [2].

[1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41573-020-00073-5

[2]: https://www.ajmc.com/view/a-timeline-of-covid19-developments...

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by emodendroket »

tomatocracy wrote: post #200
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #31

In all of these posts there is a strong 'what were they thinking' reaction. - remember hindsight. At the time, how were they supposed to know, by looking into their crystal ball? It was a fast, dynamically changing situation, everyone was getting sick, who a the time could say 'yeah, people are dying, but YOLO, no need to sanitize your hands.' Lot of freaking armchair quarterbacks in the 'lets criticize the medical c…

We knew very early on that plain soap and water were very effective at killing coronavirus (and much, much more so than alcohol gel hand sanitizer). It was even official advice here in the UK to use soap and water instead of alcohol gel for hand washing if at all possible I think. Yet many people still seemed to think the exact opposite. They still have it alongside soap in my office bathrooms for example. It makes a…

As a point of clarification, were they effective at "killing" the virus or just mechanically removing it from one's hands?

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by emodendroket »

acyou wrote: post #58

This issue is a wrecking ball being swung first this way, then the other way, to create division, hatred, polarization, radicalization and the feeling of being marginalized on all sides. Who benefits from consuming this article? Was it not mass media used as a primary vector to create the hysteria in the first place? And will the wheel not again soon turn, so that the criticized can criticize the criticizers from the…

Yeah, let's just have a Bureau of Information to make sure that nothing that upsets harmonious relations among the people is published, never mind that it is factual reporting.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by majormajor »

pessimizer wrote: post #130
majormajor wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a thing in red states and areas? Like masking as a "fuck you I'm different?" signal? Because around me in super-liberal-coastal-land practically nobody masks, and the ones I know personally who sometimes do have underlying reasons to be more cautious (e.g. relatives undergoing nasty cancer treatments and such that they don't want to spread anything to). It's been like 1 in 50 or 1 in 100 people at the gym I g…

It's the opposite in red states. People harass strangers in public for wearing masks. Same vibe as the maskers in blue states. It's the never-maskers vs. the ever-maskers.

What "maskers in blue states"? I hardly see anyone in a mask, let alone harassing people not in a mask.

That was my question! Where is this happening? Cause I'm really having a hard time reconciling people's random online claims with anything I've seen while out and about daily near me...

Is there just an Extremely Online segment of the public that keeps repeating 2020's arguments without actually getting out much to see that basically everyone else has adapted as case counts have died down and people have gotten vaccinated?

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

pierat wrote: post #53

Wow, this article really makes me feel like I dodged the bullet for our household when I realized that 95% (190 proof) Everclear was available for $35/1.75l I did the chemistry math and figured 3 parts Everclear:1 part water equalled 71.25% ethyl alcohol, within the recommended of the WHO. I even tried adding in food grade aloe to help not be as damaging on the skin (instead of water). Worked really well too. We didn…

I too dodged a bullet by not buying into the fear mongering and continuing life as usual. No special purchases necessary whatsoever.

Unfortunately my cash savings are inflated away in the economic crisis that's now following just like everyone else's.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by emodendroket »

revelio wrote: post #40

> What happened next is a lesson about leaving disaster response to the whims of capitalism. Companies did exactly what the government wanted them to do: make hand sanitizer as fast as possible and at massive scale. The lesson here is about leaving disaster response to governments. The FDA had a bunch of tactics it could have used. It could have continued to do inspections and changed the rules to say if you don't pa…

How is it "leaving the response to governments" if they say "OK, guys, produce as much crap as you want to whatever standard you want, but don't put benzene in it, although we won't penalize you if you do"?

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Post by ikiris »

emodendroket wrote: post #191
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #31

In all of these posts there is a strong 'what were they thinking' reaction. - remember hindsight. At the time, how were they supposed to know, by looking into their crystal ball? It was a fast, dynamically changing situation, everyone was getting sick, who a the time could say 'yeah, people are dying, but YOLO, no need to sanitize your hands.' Lot of freaking armchair quarterbacks in the 'lets criticize the medical c…

You'd think that the regulations that were suspended were not invented in response to nothing.

This is HN: all regulations are bad, the government is out to get you, and the free market solves all problems.

Going by the comments at least.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by emodendroket »

lynx23 wrote: post #17

TL;DR: If all media tell you the same thing over and over again, just don't do it and you should be safe. Propaganda is propaganda, don't get confused if many people around you fall for it, just stay on your path and trust your intuition and supress the urge to follow the herd.

Yeah, that's why I use a charcoal grill inside. The media keeps saying to use it outside but I can't trust them.
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