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I found this chart[1] and I do wonder how Oregon and Washington have such a high unsheltered population; I'm not familiar with the PNW, are parts of the states mild? The rest of that chart is pretty much in line with how I perceive winters to be. 1: https://www.thecentersquare.com/florida/article_67aeebc1-e7b...
I'm not first-hand familiar with Oregon, but some parts of Washington have moderate temps. Coastal Washington gets a lot of rain but rarely freezes and -- anecdotally -- at least one city in Coastal Washington has vastly worse rates of homelessness on a per capita basis than some of the cities infamous for it, like Seattle and SF. And, yes, they are mostly camped outside, not in shelters.
California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working
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Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working
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On this note, LA has hundreds of shelter beds the remain empty every night because they're located in "sober" facilities (meaning that the facilities do not allow alcohol or drug use) and the putative residents would rather be able to drink and use drugs than to have shelter.
One problem is the binary of "sober". Opioid substitution therapy has a long track record of effectiveness, but when treating homeless addicts we all too often insist they go through withdrawal, to nobody's benefit. Not all homeless are addicts, but an individual suffering opioid addiction has very different behavior from someone who isn't, and that requires particular attention. Opioids have the worst relapse rate o…
Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working
#363This reads as a political ad, not a news story. The ad is good at pulling heart strings and getting people riled up (see comments here) but does not do any actual reporting. How did California spend the money? Were there leaky buckets? How does California have 50% of the homeless and 12% of the population? Are people being bussed in, making this a federal problem? Who's responsible? Don't just tell me the governor, t…
No, quite the contrary: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...
Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working
#364This reads as a political ad, not a news story. The ad is good at pulling heart strings and getting people riled up (see comments here) but does not do any actual reporting. How did California spend the money? Were there leaky buckets? How does California have 50% of the homeless and 12% of the population? Are people being bussed in, making this a federal problem? Who's responsible? Don't just tell me the governor, t…
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/1156698343/city-of-tents-vetera...
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but when you do the research Can you point me to any of that research? If I'm wrong I'd like to update my belief. Admittedly, my belief has only weak evidence: - San Francisco pays homeless people more than most other places, and has relatively weak enforcement of laws related to camping, drugs and petty crime - Anecdotes about people on the street being interviewed, and admitting that they lied about being from SF,…
"Seventy-one percent of those surveyed reported living in San Francisco, 24% in other California counties and 4% outside California. Of those with a prior residence in the city, 17% said they had lived in San Francisco for less than one year, while 35% said they had been in the city for 10 or more years. The remaining 52% of those respondents said they lived in the city between one and 10 years before becoming homele…
This is bog-standard mis-reporting of statistics, and I would encourage you to download and read the original homeless census report.
A person who had home in SF for 1 month and then lived unhoused in SF for 10 years is counted among those "long term" SF residents who became homeless. They're not really from SF, even if they technically become homeless while living in SF.
Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working
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Non-american ignorant here. Why don't they just build the houses? 17B sounds like a lot.
Homelessness isn't just caused by someone not having a home. There is a massive overlap of mental illness and substance abuse/addiction. Just giving a homeless person a house will not solve the underlying problems that caused them to be homeless in the first place. There needs to be movement on multiple fronts - mental health, physical health, rehab, job training, personal finance, etc. If the solution was easy, some…
So really there is no one-size-fits all solution. Individual treatment is needed, and early intervention always has the best outcomes.
Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working
#368It's a big merry-go-round and someone is clearly making bank. NY -> Hawaii https://nypost.com/2019/10/26/nyc-homeless-initiative-sends-... WY -> UT https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/11/4/23440578/jackson-wyom... NV -> CA https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/nevada-settles-... SF -> ?? https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/sf-expanding-program-that-ha... And more recently: https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/15/gre…
Cities that deal with high levels of homelessness are usually places that are deemed unaffordable anyways by the common American. Also if the place is warm, has easy access to drugs, and generous help with minimal requirements of the beneficiary to receive that aid. I awknowledge there will always be individuals who would rather have awful living standards than assume any responsibilities, but for those people who actually want to forge a better life for themselves, who fell through the cracks and are homeless perhaps to poor decisions but otherwise want to stand back up, this is awesome.
The article you labelled "SF -> ??" Specifically said it was tranporting them to family or friends who know that person, ie. someone who would have individual concern for them to get them back on their feet.
> “We consider a person being removed from the street and reunited with a stable, loving family as the best possible outcome,” Hussey said. “This is not shifting the homeless problem to other cities. This is a person being removed from the street and being helped by the people who love them the most — their families.”
"NV -> CA" ironically goes against your statement, because the article is saying that Nevada stopped sending people to SF. Also they were trying to replicate what SF was doing, sending them to families, but in the worst possible way that was guaranteed to fail, because they sent them to a location without contacting any family or even seeing if any lived where they were putting them.
> Homeless patients are no longer bused to other areas and state officials want to move forward
"NY -> Hawaii" is similar to the "SF -> ??" one because despite the title, they were sending them nationwide, not just Hawaii. Their approach was the most easily abused, because they paid for a year's worth of livelihood. However, for people who have real intentions to improve their lives, this provides great hope in that dream because they get a fresh start, and in a place that is not impossibly expensive to live in and guaranteeing future impoverishment.
Regarding "WY -> UT", SLC, where they are being taken to in UT, is one of the few places where they focus on rehab rather than perpetual homelessness, and basically all homelessness programs are focused on addiction recovery, and acquisition of a job. It is illegal to beg there, or to give money to homeless, because the only possible way to be homeless there is by refusing rehabilitation. I have no proof of these comments of SLC, as this perspective is based on what I've heard from others, so it could be wrong, but I've heard nothing to the contrary. So I am again optimistic for this approach from Wyoming, although I think it'd be better if they just adopted the same system instead of overloading another states rehabs.
The last article you posted has no relevancy to the topic, as it discusses migrants and the border issue, not homelessness, so I will skip it.
Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working
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Everyone wants that solution. No one wants that solution in their neighborhood. Even unsubsidized low cost housing.
> Everyone wants that solution. [Just building more houses] I'm not sure I completely agree with that. Suppose you wanted to build the maximum amount of free housing as quickly as possible. What would you do? You'd pick someplace rural (where land is cheap, and there are fewer people to raise objections), buy a bunch of land and just build the homes (and services needed by the people who would live in them). You woul…
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I’m not at all against unconditional cash grants. I work for a non-profit that does just that. What I am against is a totally unstructured program where they hand cash out knowing that 90% of it goes into an open air drug market that they make no attempt to shut down or control. I’m not arguing for work requirements or time limits. People who are legitimately struggling will fall through the cracks. But I don’t think…
I don't really understand the point you are making. "I'm not arguing for work requirements... But I don't think its insane to require people to work." So, you are in favor of work requirements then? This article has an extremely click bait headline; it's entirely about one encampment and not at all about what the $17B is being spent on or any other aspect of the homelessness problem. Nevertheless, one thing pointed o…