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The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by revelio »

buildsjets wrote: post #48
floren wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I live in the Bay Area, and my neighbors still do this shit .

What amazes me is that some people choose to continue 100% masking for various reasons, but wear ineffective or poor fitting cloth masks or generic flat surgical masks with huge gaps, when comfortable and effective N95s from name brands are readily and inexpensively available. Or they just chin-diaper.

Why is that amazing? Masking is a social phenomenon at this point. It's about showing other people what sort of person you are, not about the mask itself.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by MyHypatia »

floren wrote: post #35
wincy wrote: post #33

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I saw someone driving alone in their car wearing a mask two days ago. I live in Kansas.

Oh that's daily around here still. Absolutely baffling to me, I could handle wearing a mask when I needed to but you bet your ass I was removing it as soon as I got outside because it's really quite unpleasant. I've got a neighbor who wears a mask to move his trash can the 20 feet from the inside of his garage to the pavement just outside. He also wears the mask when driving alone in his car. COVID definitely broke s…

Sometimes I wear a mask to keep the sun off my face or if there is a lot of pollen or dust outside.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by pierat »

Wow, this article really makes me feel like I dodged the bullet for our household when I realized that 95% (190 proof) Everclear was available for $35/1.75l

I did the chemistry math and figured 3 parts Everclear:1 part water equalled 71.25% ethyl alcohol, within the recommended of the WHO.

I even tried adding in food grade aloe to help not be as damaging on the skin (instead of water). Worked really well too.

We didn't spray down every surface, but we did grocery cart handles. Even outside of a pandemic, those are NASTY.

But yeah, we had NO issue in sanitizer. And ours you could drink too! Hahahha

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by JohnFen »

revelio wrote: post #47
danmaz74 wrote: post #29

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It was very clear from where? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

It was clear by March 2020 when the passengers on the Diamond Princess were all locked down in their cabins and COVID didn't care at all, managing to infect people all over the ship essentially at random. This is only possible if it is able to spread long distances via the air; if transmission were droplet or surface based that would have ended the outbreak immediately. Please don't cite the CDC for anything, they're…

> they're utterly discredited.

I see no reason to think that. Sure, mistakes were made (as is expected), but utterly discredited? That's a bit over the top.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by slily »

danmaz74 wrote: post #29
purpleflame1257 wrote: post #6

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Because it was clear early on that covid was not droplet transmission and that hand santizer did jack shit. But nobody would acknowledge this for ages, leading to other crazy shit like shutdown playgrounds.

It was very clear from where? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

Obstinate appeal to authority to shut down dissenters is exactly how it took years for "The Science" to catch up to what had been obvious from the available data since 2020. From the masks to the social distancing, to denial of natural immunity and of vaccine side-effects. I agree with the sibling commentator - to anyone who was actually paying attention and considered the evidence from a variety of trustworthy sources, the CDC has been propagating false narratives the whole time and was absurdly slow to correct them, leading to plenty of awful, damaging policies.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by giantg2 »

loeg wrote: post #26
bipop5000 wrote: post #8

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I was thinking about all of the masks that were created super quickly and also dumped. Those masks do not look like they would recycle quickly.

The cloth ones? They'll break down relatively quickly in landfills.

The medical ones are not really cloth and contain synthetic materials.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

buildsjets wrote: post #48
floren wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I live in the Bay Area, and my neighbors still do this shit .

What amazes me is that some people choose to continue 100% masking for various reasons, but wear ineffective or poor fitting cloth masks or generic flat surgical masks with huge gaps, when comfortable and effective N95s from name brands are readily and inexpensively available. Or they just chin-diaper.

Wow I guess I never found those comfortable and effective masks. Maybe people are different? What fits one doesn't fit another?

It's fun to earn internet points by claiming to be astonished at how dumb others are, and how much we have figured things out. Maybe after several years of this, the game is growing old.

Tolerance, understanding, consideration used to be virtues. But not internet virtues I guess.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by acyou »

This issue is a wrecking ball being swung first this way, then the other way, to create division, hatred, polarization, radicalization and the feeling of being marginalized on all sides.

Who benefits from consuming this article? Was it not mass media used as a primary vector to create the hysteria in the first place? And will the wheel not again soon turn, so that the criticized can criticize the criticizers from their moral high ground created by manufactured narrative and invective?

The lesson here is: We should not read or promote these divisive articles. Three years ago, Wired were contributing to this problem: Yes, great idea, we should just buy the methanol and benzene containing products online and make hand sanitizer ourselves.

https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-make-hand-sanitizer/

Probably, the same lesson extends to most mass media. Consumption of mass media like this seems to tend to create knock-on effects that don't necessarily align with our best interests. We should find something better to do with our limited time.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by lisasays »

revelio wrote: post #51
buildsjets wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What amazes me is that some people choose to continue 100% masking for various reasons, but wear ineffective or poor fitting cloth masks or generic flat surgical masks with huge gaps, when comfortable and effective N95s from name brands are readily and inexpensively available. Or they just chin-diaper.

Why is that amazing? Masking is a social phenomenon at this point. It's about showing other people what sort of person you are, not about the mask itself.

It may make you feel comfortable to believe that's why they mask.

But (knowing many people who still mask, under varying circumstances) -- that's not why they mask.

Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom

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Post by jethro_tell »

jquery wrote: post #45
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #31

In all of these posts there is a strong 'what were they thinking' reaction. - remember hindsight. At the time, how were they supposed to know, by looking into their crystal ball? It was a fast, dynamically changing situation, everyone was getting sick, who a the time could say 'yeah, people are dying, but YOLO, no need to sanitize your hands.' Lot of freaking armchair quarterbacks in the 'lets criticize the medical c…

It's akin to a master caution alarm on a plane and the engines just cut out. Until there's more data on exactly what the issue is, pilots should generally follow the checklists. Avoidable accidents happen when pilots make assumptions about what is wrong (e.g., "oh my instruments must be incorrect") instead of following their checklists/training. Until we knew that surface transmission wasn't a serious vector, it made…

But, also, until we knew that it wasn't transmitted through the air, we should have been recommending masking with high quality masks. That right there could have changed the vector of this whole thing.

Instead, 6 months in when we knew it was transmitted through air, we continued to make businesses sanitize their checkouts while people walked around in ineffective cloth masks.

Really fucked the dog there.

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