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The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom
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Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Man, I live in the Bay Area, and my neighbors still do this shit .
I saw someone driving alone in their car wearing a mask two days ago. I live in Kansas.
They could be an uber driver, or someone moving their car a short distance while shopping.
Otherwise, I do find that weird and I am an ardent masker. Actually, come to think of it, the other day I drove home that way because I just forgot to take it off when I left the supermarket.
So there are non-weird explanations. I doubt they account for all the cases.
Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom
#43Just one aspect of the huge, tragicomic waste that resulted from the medical establishment's position that airborne transmission couldn't be real because it reminded everyone too much of miasma theory. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ina.13070
> the medical establishment's position that airborne transmission couldn't be real I remember droplets being the leading theory but do not remember a time when the medical establishment was claiming airborne transmission couldn't be real.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00925-7
"Why the WHO took two years to say COVID is airborne
Early in the pandemic, the World Health Organization stated that SARS-CoV-2 was not transmitted through the air. That mistake and the prolonged process of correcting it sowed confusion and raises questions about what will happen in the next pandemic."
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was thinking about all of the masks that were created super quickly and also dumped. Those masks do not look like they would recycle quickly.
The cloth ones? They'll break down relatively quickly in landfills.
Are they actually natural fiber? The surgical masks mostly seem like plastic, and the softer cloth masks might be synthetic-cotton blends.
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#45In all of these posts there is a strong 'what were they thinking' reaction. - remember hindsight. At the time, how were they supposed to know, by looking into their crystal ball? It was a fast, dynamically changing situation, everyone was getting sick, who a the time could say 'yeah, people are dying, but YOLO, no need to sanitize your hands.' Lot of freaking armchair quarterbacks in the 'lets criticize the medical c…
It's akin to a master caution alarm on a plane and the engines just cut out. Until there's more data on exactly what the issue is, pilots should generally follow the checklists. Avoidable accidents happen when pilots make assumptions about what is wrong (e.g., "oh my instruments must be incorrect") instead of following their checklists/training. Until we knew that surface transmission wasn't a serious vector, it made total sense to guard against it.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you elaborate on why you believe it was unproductive insanity?
With respect to covid, I remember it being said that washing your hands with soap was the most effective way to stop the virus spreading from physical contact. Yet the assumption that many people had was that alcohol based hand sanitizer was more effective. Sure, hand sanitizer is better than nothing, but old fashion soap and water was what the doctors recommended. Thats my guess anyway.
The heuristics that many people employ can be rather annoying. Another example regarding hand sanitizer:
They used hand sanitizer after picking up and eating a cookie. And I was probably a weirdo for not doing so. Greasy fingers are a problem, and I guess they see hand sanitizer as a substitue for hand-washing. But hand sanitizer doesn't wash anything away.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it was clear early on that covid was not droplet transmission and that hand santizer did jack shit. But nobody would acknowledge this for ages, leading to other crazy shit like shutdown playgrounds.
It was very clear from where? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...
It was clear by March 2020 when the passengers on the Diamond Princess were all locked down in their cabins and COVID didn't care at all, managing to infect people all over the ship essentially at random. This is only possible if it is able to spread long distances via the air; if transmission were droplet or surface based that would have ended the outbreak immediately.
Please don't cite the CDC for anything, they're utterly discredited.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looking back, it was crazy how much emphasis was placed on surface transmission. I remember people talking about wiping down grocery boxes left in front of their door with hand sanitizer and leaving it to sit for 72 hours before bringing it inside.
Man, I live in the Bay Area, and my neighbors still do this shit .
What amazes me is that some people choose to continue 100% masking for various reasons, but wear ineffective or poor fitting cloth masks or generic flat surgical masks with huge gaps, when comfortable and effective N95s from name brands are readily and inexpensively available. Or they just chin-diaper.
Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I saw someone driving alone in their car wearing a mask two days ago. I live in Kansas.
They could be an uber driver, or someone moving their car a short distance while shopping. Otherwise, I do find that weird and I am an ardent masker. Actually, come to think of it, the other day I drove home that way because I just forgot to take it off when I left the supermarket. So there are non-weird explanations. I doubt they account for all the cases.
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Re: The explosive legacy of the hand sanitizer boom
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Man, I live in the Bay Area, and my neighbors still do this shit .
I saw someone driving alone in their car wearing a mask two days ago. I live in Kansas.
Probably either forgot or it wasn’t worth the trouble since they were on a short drive between locations.