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Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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The curious thing is that Reddit is as valuable as it is because of what it gets from its users (free moderation, free user-submitted content.) There's always been a sort of implicit agreement that it's a symbiotic relationship -- reddit provides the house/utilities, users provide the stuff, and mods do the clean up. Third-party devs were an extension of that -- making it easier to connect the parties.

Yeah but that symbiosis community stuff is for when you're still growing. Once you're big, it's time to pull up that ladder, put on the corporate mask, and start cranking that ad revenue at all costs. You've got a million rubes doomscrolling past your homogenous r/funny - i mean, r/all - slurry who don't know the difference between an ad and a real post. People who care about things like UX and quality posts are a minority who you are free to exploit for as long as you're useful, and then crush once you're done with them.

I seriously think this is just reddit finally thinking "yup - we've won - time to start acting with impunity for anything that cuts costs (like not maintaining a public API) or increases even the smallest bit of revenue (like managing to convert 1% of apollo users to first-party-app users while alienating (no pun intended) the rest).

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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If you go to the front page without logging in, you’ll quickly notice the target demographic is teens/young adults. The redesign makes a lot more sense with that context

Do you imply that teens/young adults don't care about usability? Or that they don't have the attention span to read comments and just want to endlessly scroll through crap?

Teens/young adults, or really anyone "new" to the web/internet, haven't learned yet the importance of information transmission speed, or which use patterns will make them lose more time than get them something worthwhile in return. They're also discovering a lot of "basic" stuff in all types of content, so are more tolerant of what more seasoned users would call repetitive crap. That includes ads, which they are more likely to perceive as novel and entertaining, even be happy to see some of them.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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I'm also interested. I'm still using Materialistic, but it's not even in the Play Store any more so I would like to find something maintained.

I recently switched from Materialistic to Harmonic, and I like it. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simon.harm...

I was using materialistic but didn't like that I couldn't edit replies so just switched to harmonic, and loving it.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI. The site itself is just garbage and the difference between the redesign and old.reddit is just so jarring, and the Android client is also garbage. Are there people who even thinks these designs are good? How do you even end up with something like this? Is it just garbage requirements thrown out by clueless managers? There must be some for…

> There must be some force here, because Twitter's UI is also garbage. It's called modern frontend, I'm afraid :-) By the way the next iteration of Reddit web UI, which this time is based on web components with Lit rather than on React, is less garbage — at least in terms of raw performance. Design-wise it may still be horrible; but at least technologically, it feels like a definite improvement. You can check it out…

Raw performance is generally one of the least important things in a website, at least for me.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Best way to read the site is, and always has been, old.reddit on a proper computer.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people actually like using these godawful passive consumption / walled garden devices, to say nothing of all the apps over simply using a browser. I truly hate the direction all this is going (electron apps, mobile first/only, vertical videos, TikTok, social media, ...) and seemingly everyone else just can't get enough of it :(

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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> insane moderation policies and narrow ideology What, did you prefer the site in the days of the Chimpire? Jailbait? Reddit's history has been the perfect case-study in the downsides of a libertarian approach to moderation. They've come to where they are now because every other approach resulted in horrifying racism, sexual exploitation, disinformation, and abuse.

The moderators of major subreddits are extremely authoritarian. There must be a middle ground between free-for-all and thought police.

They're arguably popular because of the moderation, not in spite of it. You're free to follow whatever subreddit you'd like or create your own, which is the benefit of Reddit as a platform.

I do wish there was much more transparency around "power-moderators" though.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI. The site itself is just garbage and the difference between the redesign and old.reddit is just so jarring, and the Android client is also garbage. Are there people who even thinks these designs are good? How do you even end up with something like this? Is it just garbage requirements thrown out by clueless managers? There must be some for…

"I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI" Do you mean like... HN?

HN's UI is pretty close to ideal for the sort of site it is.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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The problem isn’t really the cards. It’s the implementation. If you just reshape shape old.Reddit.com it wouldn’t be a horrible UI/UX. Maybe not great either. Back button is effectively broken with constant reload of front page. 2 links you wanna read? You need to click around carefully especially on mobile if you don’t want the page to reload and show you a different set of stuff.

> The problem isn’t really the cards. It's also the cards.

The problem is they don't care about the mobile web and want you to use their native app where you're more likely to enable notifications and then increase engagement (everything is for ad views obviously)

Old reddit was designed for a larger monitor (laptop/desktop) and mimics the best design practices on that device over the past couple decades of bulletin board/forum software; makes sense why people like it so much

Design decisions aside, the site performance is horrible. I don't understand why serving content is so difficult. I get they have large scale, but they've also had that for quite a while and employ enough people to solve it if they actually cared enough

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Could you point to specific deficiencies of HN?

No pagination, as mentioned. No way to keep up with new comments on a post (Reddit doesn't have this either). No notifications on reply, so it's difficult to get answers to clarifying questions (/threads helps but isn't it). Ever-increasing indentation makes deep threads hard to read. Generally hard to read and hard to click on mobile. None fatal, but also none particularly tough to fix!

> No pagination, as mentioned.

Not sure what you mean by this, the lists of posts are very obviously paginated, as (admittedly a bit awkwardly) are larger comments threads. Maybe you mean auto-scrolling pagination?

> No notifications on reply, so it's difficult to get answers to clarifying questions (/threads helps but isn't it).

While not a HN feature, there is a simple solution - http://www.hnreplies.com/

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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I know the person who was in charge of the redesign. This may sound unbelievable, but she was not a reddit user prior to working at reddit or being put in charge of the redesign. Really nice person, but they did a terrible job.

Everyone here is shitting on it, but to me it looks like it accomplished exactly what reddit wanted, and was wildly successful at doing so. Reddit very successfully moved away from being the techy nerd basement dweller site to becoming a trendy young "normie" people site. Dumb everything down to shoot for the lowest common denominator, maximizing the size of your target demographic. So hiring someone who probably lov…

I don't like the phrase normie but that makes sense.

I feel the topics on their have gotten less interesting. Especially in stuff like travel and cooking. I used to really like the travel content on their but it feels useless lately. It just seems to basic and low effort.

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