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Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by dageshi »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #63
jollofricepeas wrote: post #60

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1. Reddit isn’t a non-profit. I’m not sure why it’s user base doesn’t seem to understand this. They have to make UI changes to make money. It’s either that or everyone pays for subscriptions. 2. The AI threat is real. It’s not even remotely fair that the large tech players of the world get to train their models on others content for cheap. It’s sad what’s happening to Apollo but they need to beef with Microsoft and G…

This has nothing to do with AI. Making your site less usable isn't going to make you more profitable in the long run.

Nah, it has a lot to do with AI.

Give it another 12 months when the rest of the web has been gunked up with AI written crap and reddit will be one of the few reliable sources of useful opinion out there.

Hell, it is right now given how frequently I and others append "reddit" to our google queries.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by ljm »

wodenokoto wrote: post #130
frozenlettuce wrote: post #32

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It's on purpose. The new UI places each post inside a "card". The intent is having you scroll past cards. This makes even text-only posts be similar to image ads posts, and while you scroll you are not aware if the next card is an ad or not. Layouts with heavy information density (as old.reddit.com) are more user friendly, as you they allow you to just scan the list and be done with it. But are bad for ads.

The problem isn’t really the cards. It’s the implementation. If you just reshape shape old.Reddit.com it wouldn’t be a horrible UI/UX. Maybe not great either. Back button is effectively broken with constant reload of front page. 2 links you wanna read? You need to click around carefully especially on mobile if you don’t want the page to reload and show you a different set of stuff.

On mobile you can hardly even scroll down a thread without the page crashing and dumping you right back at the top. 75% of the time it’ll be an error page and you have to refresh again to get past it.

I can’t imagine people will tolerate this when they’re forced to use this UI and not their favourite app.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by dageshi »

ghusto wrote: post #188
dageshi wrote: post #176

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I imagine that requires a level of effort that volunteer mods just don't have the time or inclination for.

Then why are they mods? They literally volunteered to do that exact thing.

No, they didn't? How stuff is moderated is more or less down to the top mod of the subreddit.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by lapcat »

interestica wrote: post #173
lapcat wrote: post #136

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> That's the point though. It collects a bunch of external sources in one spot that are all related to the same issue -- and provides the context. You're missing the point, which is that this submission is just the latest in a long string of duplicate submissions, some of which have already been marked [dupe] by the moderators. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3614241…

> It's literally the link quoted by "The creator of Apollo has done the math, and says" So? The headline of the submission lacks meaning and provides no information. You would have to click into the link to realize wha the discussion is about. > You're missing the point, which is that this submission is just the latest in a long string of duplicate submissions, some of which have already been marked [dupe] by the mod…

> The headline of the submission lacks meaning and provides no information. You would have to click into the link to realize wha the discussion is about.

Nonetheless: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> My point is that this article sets up a different (and valid) discussion

Different? No. The discussion is the basically same as before.

> provides wider context

Some of the other HN submissions I linked above also provide wider context. This is a dupe.

> Other discussions on subsequent days (especially if new information comes out -- or when other developers affected by the change speak up) are useful and should also be encouraged.

No, that's actually contrary to HN policy:

"Are reposts ok? If a story has not had significant attention in the last year or so, a small number of reposts is ok. Otherwise we bury reposts as duplicates." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Moreover, the other developer's link in the Kotaku article was also already submitted to HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by [deleted] »

bee_rider wrote: post #172
doublerabbit wrote: post #110

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Could you apply this to Discord currently? As in they are in the beginning phase of the enshittifcation metamorphism? With the new soundboards, change of usernames and the likes, it's feels like it's starting the cycle.

Maybe I’m just old, but I don’t know what the inevitable pre-enshittified competition to Discord is. Do they exist yet? Discord is still at the beginning of the endhittification path so I guess it is not a super pressing issue.

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Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by eddieroger »

jerf wrote: post #159

Why should the apps have to pay? Why can't reddit provide a paid version that allows you to access the APIs, which the external apps can then use? You already have to log in to them anyhow so it's not like you'd need an extra API key or anything. $20/year is probably an order of magnitude more then they make on ads served to me. The weirdest thing about the ad economy to me isn't that it exists, but as I've banged on…

That idea came up in the massive thread created by the author of the iOS app Apollo. A compelling reason it wouldn't work is it creates confusion and tension between Reddit, Apollo and the user when things don't work, as well as with regards to who's paying for what. If I have to pay Reddit $10/mo to use it, why do I also have to pay this app developer $1 to use their app? When it fails, is it Reddit who owes me support or Apollo? What about outages? Just a lot of moving parts. Not that I don't think it's worth it, but it does get confusing for average users.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by giraffe_lady »

justaman wrote: post #148
Pxtl wrote: post #143

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> insane moderation policies and narrow ideology What, did you prefer the site in the days of the Chimpire? Jailbait? Reddit's history has been the perfect case-study in the downsides of a libertarian approach to moderation. They've come to where they are now because every other approach resulted in horrifying racism, sexual exploitation, disinformation, and abuse.

The moderators of major subreddits are extremely authoritarian. There must be a middle ground between free-for-all and thought police.

Just some racism as long as you don't say the bad words, and light thought policing? It sounds like you want the HN mod policy, which makes sense bc that's where we are. Other sites can have different approaches though.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by jlokier »

distances wrote: post #122
lawn wrote: post #108

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What app do you use?

I'm also interested. I'm still using Materialistic, but it's not even in the Play Store any more so I would like to find something maintained.

Ah, I'm using Materialistic too having tried others and found them less good.

I had no idea it was gone from the Play Store or not updated in a long time - or maybe I forgot soon after installing. I'm using the version installed via F-Droid.

The good news is it still works :-)

It has a lot of forks. I wonder if anyone's developed it more.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by vehemenz »

tremere wrote: post #8

Reddit is past its expiration date anyway and I'm surprised no one has created a challenger site. Perhaps this was due to Reddit's friendliness toward programmatic access but it seems they are taking that away. This is a good opportunity to create a new community, and essentially take back messaging from the corporations (let's be real about what reddit is) and put it back into the hands of the people.

I think the toothpaste is out of the tube on creating good communities like the Reddit of yesteryear.

Between lowering the barrier to entry (and average age) with phones, astroturfing and bots, and the overall impossibility of moderation, I just don't see it happening anymore.

We need to go back to purposely small communities.

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