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Automatic emergency braking should become mandatory, feds say

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Re: Automatic emergency braking should become mandatory, feds say

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Post by r00t4ccess »

bentcorner wrote: post #149
r00t4ccess wrote: post #54

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Not the poster Vw golf r 2016 the sensor was low to the ground and it would randomly brake for stuff it thought was a threat like a cardboard box. Subaru crosstrek 2018 - would brake for no reason, cars turning up ahead of me, etc. VW atlas 2019 - brake for no reason would also scream at me and show a red symbol on the hud when nothing was in the road in front of me. Subaru impreza 2023 - brakes for turning vehicles…

> Subaru crosstrek 2018 - would brake for no reason, cars turning up ahead of me, etc. Another anecdote - I have the exact same car and haven't had it do anything unexpected. It would really help if Subaru et. al. had ways to offer feedback back to them, because experiences like yours should be shared with them so they can understand what kind of corner cases some drivers are getting into. > I also had the lane assis…

It was actually my first experience with the car, it happened on my way from the dealership to the office. It also didn’t help that I owneed the vehicle for 5 minutes at that point and could not find the button to disable it. I have since gotten rid of the car.

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Post by r00t4ccess »

Ros2 wrote: post #324
r00t4ccess wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the poster Vw golf r 2016 the sensor was low to the ground and it would randomly brake for stuff it thought was a threat like a cardboard box. Subaru crosstrek 2018 - would brake for no reason, cars turning up ahead of me, etc. VW atlas 2019 - brake for no reason would also scream at me and show a red symbol on the hud when nothing was in the road in front of me. Subaru impreza 2023 - brakes for turning vehicles…

There is a hardware button on Subarus to disable EyeSight when you go through the car wash. Anecdotal, but the alarm before the auto braking in my Crosstrek (2020) saved me two times. And I was in the car with a friend who activated the auto braking when they had just purchased it and weren't used to driving it.

Yeah its part of my pre-drive procedure since it happened. I’ve never had any of my vehicles auto brake in a way that was helpful.

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Post by ceejayoz »

ChatGTP wrote: post #397
ceejayoz wrote: post #384

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The article cites a 38% reduction in crashes. Random anecdotes to debunk that are not super compelling. Some habitual drunk drivers never have an accident and may even claim it makes them a better driver, but that doesn’t make it the right choice on a population level.

Little hard to respond to the snark but I’m just glad I was paying attention and not on the phone or else I might be dead. Cheers.

No snark, and every avoided accident is a good thing. Policy makers at the national level just have to weigh all the cases over individual anecdotal ones.

This often means one person’s risk goes up while thousands of others’ goes down. Sometimes that’s hard to balance, but if the 38% reduction in crashes cited in the article is true, this particular decision seems fairly simple.

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Post by r00t4ccess »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #245
bentcorner wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Subaru crosstrek 2018 - would brake for no reason, cars turning up ahead of me, etc. Another anecdote - I have the exact same car and haven't had it do anything unexpected. It would really help if Subaru et. al. had ways to offer feedback back to them, because experiences like yours should be shared with them so they can understand what kind of corner cases some drivers are getting into. > I also had the lane assis…

I have the same car and my experience matches yours. Lane assist is just a tiny nudge, and I've never had the emergency braking kick in. I wonder what causes the different behavior?

To be fair I was going 70mph at the time. It could be a small nudge but at 70mph feels worse. I also had only owned the crosstrek for about 5 minutes at that point and I couldn’t figure out how to turn it off as well, didn’t realize buttons were placed on the ceiling.

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Post by mistercheph »

hnick wrote: post #115
ics wrote: post #50

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I wrote up a long comment that got scrapped by my focus filter but I feel the need to voice strong agreement here. I have a recent Mazda which in almost all ways is my perfect car except for the newfangled safety features all new cars seem to have. Lane correction and emergency braking, even set to the lowest sensitivity levels, are bad to outright dangerous in city (and some country) driving. In NYC it's common to h…

My new car has lane keep assist and AEB and I haven't had these issues. From what I hear it's very much to do with a maker's implementation (mine is Hyundai, who for various reasons seems to have a bad reputation in North America but a good one in Australia). For the lane keep assist I feel a nudge but it's extremely easy to overcome just through a normal grip on the wheel - if I don't budge it won't move. It's been…

Bad North American repurtation comes from dealer network afaik.

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Post by Timon3 »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #399
shortcake27 wrote: post #355

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> People should absolutely be able to turn this thing off if they don't trust it. Absolutely not. There are other people on the road. Families. You don’t get to kill other people in a preventable accident because you believe you’re an above-average human who can outperform a computer.

Computer errors have killed entire families.

Human errors have killed many, many, many more.

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Post by perlgeek »

opwieurposiu wrote: post #52

The quality of these systems varies wildly IME. If your car has a good one, they are quite useful. If your car has a glitchy one they are dangerous. How do we keep the glitchy ones off the road? Extended return policy? Make the unit swappable/replaceable?

> How do we keep the glitchy ones off the road? Extended return policy? Make the unit swappable/replaceable?

Treat a failure as a cause for vendor warranty. Either the vendor has to fix it, replace it or refund the car.

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Post by mmaurizi »

eyphka wrote: post #261
kovacs_ wrote: post #195

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Hyundai had a not so great reputation in the early 2000s in the US. In recent years however this opinion seems to have shifted. Been driving an Ioniq 5 2023 for a couple months now with no phantom/emergency braking issues. I'm not in love with the performance of the lane keep without being on an HDA2 marked highway. I have to fight it just enough for it to not be useful on certain well marked backroads. Considering t…

Hyundai has been having engine failures, would not recommend as experienced spontaneous engine failure on a less than year old car. Check consumer reports or source below. “In 2020, NHTSA announced civil penalties for the companies—totaling $210 million—for not recalling vehicles in a timely manner. In 2021, a whistleblower who provided NHTSA with information that led to those penalties was awarded $24 million, the a…

The Ioniq 5 is an EV, can't imagine the engine failures on their ICE cars will have any effects.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

regularjack wrote: post #402
matheusmoreira wrote: post #326

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So what? If that's the price to pay to maintain control, fine. These precedents are also creating risk by the way. It hasn't been that long ago since news was posted here of security researchers remotely cutting off car engines or cars repossessing themselves if you don't pay on time. That's the sort of existential risk you're paving the way for by accepting "safety" in exchange for control. It's not really your car…

Right, it's a slippery slope. Today they're making your car save lives, tomorrow they'll be draining your bank accounts and seducing your significant others.

The examples I cited were not hypothetical. The "tomorrow" you dismiss as some unrealistic joke is already here. Search HN for the news if you don't believe it. Want another? Not too long ago some car maker's data leaked and we discovered they were recording people while they were driving. Got any other bright ideas you feel justified implementing in the name of "safety"?

They're "making your car save lives". How? By taking away your control. You're not in command of your vehicle anymore. Don't forget it.

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Post by lesuorac »

sschueller wrote: post #394

What would really save more lives would be a much stricter license system that is federaly mandated. What little you have to do to get your license compared to European nations like Switzerland or Germany is absurd. Not only can you drive at 16 already there is basically no test to drive what is basically a tank down the road. In the north you have the additional hazard of driving in snow and so many have no clue how…

+1

Imagine if we were debating right now on if Airplanes should have automatic braking systems due to all the runway incursions ...

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