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Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#11

Kaspersky was spying on international citizens for over a decade, providing data for both the FSB and GRU. ...and now they're complaining about counter surveillance by the FBI?

Do you have any sources for this? I'm interested in reading more about it after seeing a lot of allegations. I don't recall ever seeing anything concrete.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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post #10

From the article > We believe that the main reason for this incident is the proprietary nature of iOS. This operating system is a “black box”, in which spyware like Triangulation can hide for years. Detecting and analyzing such threats is made all the more difficult by Apple’s monopoly of research tools – making it a perfect haven for spyware. In other words, as I’ve often said, users are given the illusion of securi…

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Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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post #10

From the article > We believe that the main reason for this incident is the proprietary nature of iOS. This operating system is a “black box”, in which spyware like Triangulation can hide for years. Detecting and analyzing such threats is made all the more difficult by Apple’s monopoly of research tools – making it a perfect haven for spyware. In other words, as I’ve often said, users are given the illusion of securi…

Shatters Apple's argument that all of these hurdles are better for security. I wonder if testimony like this could affect any of their antitrust lawsuits or right to repair lobbying.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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post #10

From the article > We believe that the main reason for this incident is the proprietary nature of iOS. This operating system is a “black box”, in which spyware like Triangulation can hide for years. Detecting and analyzing such threats is made all the more difficult by Apple’s monopoly of research tools – making it a perfect haven for spyware. In other words, as I’ve often said, users are given the illusion of securi…

Shatters Apple's argument that all of these hurdles are better for security. I wonder if testimony like this could affect any of their antitrust lawsuits or right to repair lobbying.

Not "shatters", as while it is a valid counter, it doesn't tell you the relative strengths and weaknesses of the two approaches, only that Apple isn't perfect which should already have been assumed.

A stronger counter to Apple's argument is the relative pricing of exploits… but the story I'm remembering is old enough that I don't want to just assume it's still true, even though it's near the top of my search results:

https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-z...

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These days on a larger scale there's basically NATO, SCO, UAE, Israel and the African Union as alliances (setting aside (former) British colonies). Which one's the good one?

Only Siths deal in absolutes. Among that list, NATO is by far the preferred option.

I'm not even sure which SCO is under discussion here, the unix one, Pakistan's "Special Communications Organization", the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, or if Scotland is up to something surprising, or if it's one of several "State Controller's Office" and "Special Counsel's Office" in the USA…

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make it sound like big tech companies never cooperate with the law enforcement. I bet CIA and FBI have their hand so far up Zuck’s ass it’s almost like Minority Report at this point.

Of course it is like this. We live in the golden age of cyberwars. But you as a founder decide whose values of the surrounding society you align your company with. In an autocratic nation these controls are kind of absolutist in nature, whereas in democracies you have at least some sense of oversight. Given the mechanics of the game, where you reside your company tells a lot about who you're friends with. These days…

None of those things except NATO is an actual alliance.

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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post #10

From the article > We believe that the main reason for this incident is the proprietary nature of iOS. This operating system is a “black box”, in which spyware like Triangulation can hide for years. Detecting and analyzing such threats is made all the more difficult by Apple’s monopoly of research tools – making it a perfect haven for spyware. In other words, as I’ve often said, users are given the illusion of securi…

Why are they using iOS if they feel that way about it?

Also: iOS 16 is not vulnerable and it was released on September 12, 2022 - why are those phones out of date for so long?

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

#18

Kaspersky was spying on international citizens for over a decade, providing data for both the FSB and GRU. ...and now they're complaining about counter surveillance by the FBI?

Do you have any sources for this? I'm interested in reading more about it after seeing a lot of allegations. I don't recall ever seeing anything concrete.

Literally one google search gave me this.[1] You could have saved a lot of time writing "Kaspersky FSB GRU" in google than writing this comment to someone to cite their sources.

[1]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-11/kaspersky...

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make it sound like big tech companies never cooperate with the law enforcement. I bet CIA and FBI have their hand so far up Zuck’s ass it’s almost like Minority Report at this point.

Of course it is like this. We live in the golden age of cyberwars. But you as a founder decide whose values of the surrounding society you align your company with. In an autocratic nation these controls are kind of absolutist in nature, whereas in democracies you have at least some sense of oversight. Given the mechanics of the game, where you reside your company tells a lot about who you're friends with. These days…

> whereas in democracies you have at least some sense of oversight

Can you give some examples of oversight ?

Re: Targeted attack on our management with the Triangulation Trojan

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> users are given the illusion of security associated with the complete opacity of the system. What actually happens in iOS is unknown to cybersecurity experts, and the absence of news about attacks in no way indicates their being impossible

For this to change the community needs to create the needed tools. I don't think Apple will ever help you with something that can potentially make them look bad.

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